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Books and Vulgar Content


SoullessMarshmallow

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Recently, a friend and I were discussing shows, books, and the writing world in general. It got to a point where we started to get specific, for example, we started to talk about romance novels such as love and gelato, or Rick Riordan's new releases. That sort of stuff. But it got to the point where we began to talk about the darker themes that novels and literature have to offer. Examples are shows that contain rape and violence, such as in 13 Reasons Why, or pedophilia in books like "Let the Right One in". She immediately became disgusted by mentioning such things, and started to say how horrible the authors were to ever write about such dreadful things, and why anyone would ever dabble on  such subjects. And then immediately, right after she said that, I felt a little annoyed. 

Okay, okay. Hear me out: Yes, things like pedophilia, rape, violence, and molestation should never happen to anyone. These are incredibly sensitive subjects that should be handled with care and only talked about in the right circumstances. I understand the sensitivity of the things I'm about to talk about, however, I feel a serious need to state my opinion. 

I feel like people should write about these things. Now, before you all come after me, I'm making it clear at this very moment that I do not support any of these horrid crimes, and to write about such things would require a lot of research and studying of the subject in order to fully understand the topic. People shouldn't just write about things like abuse without talking to a real abuse victim and studying the affects and mentality of going through abuse. And the reason I think people should write about it are for the following reasons:

1. It bring attention to the subject. Skillful writers are able to portray the gruesomeness of the crime or mental illness, thus letting their readers know that depression, schizophrenia, molestation, and pedophilia aren't things to be joked about, and should in fact be taken very seriously. By portraying how horrible it is, readers will understand that it isn't a laughing matter and should be treated sensitively. 

2. It may be a coping method for the writer. Most writers implement their own personal experiences in their stories through their characters as a coping method. For example, if a writer has suffered through depression, then that same writer may make a character with depression in order to cope and recover from the illness. 

3. It shows the darker parts of the world. Not everything is fucking sunshine and rainbows in reality, so why should it be in writing? Yes, it can be escape from all the dreadful things happening in the real world, but that doesn't mean every book must be filled with princes saving princesses, or two people falling in love in a standard plot. While books are used to escape reality, they should also remind us all the dark things happening or that has happened in the world. 

4. It may help victims of these crimes and illnesses have someone to relate to. As some of you may know, I'm currently going through mild depression and I am slightly suicidal. I'd hate if books were just about people falling in love by doing the same things. I'd hate if books just had happy endings and happy characters who were all perfectly content with their lives, because I'd have nothing to relate to. By reading about characters who are going through similar things, it's almost like a coping method - I can relate to them even though they're fictional, because I can't relate to anyone in reality at the moment. 

That's everything I really have to say. I think people should write about these crimes and illnesses for all these reasons. But like I said before: I don't support people doing any of this, and I think people should only write about it if they truly know about the subject and have done extensive research on it.

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I like this entry @SoullessMarshmallow and your right and I agree. Stuff of these types of subjects which sadly in the world happens to some people and happen to me on some level should be handle with care and said "certain" ways. Sometimes not all the time I like learning by watching shows, movies, or reading books of this nature to learn and understand what some people go through or even the author, writer, or director trying to portray to shed a light on these topics and help people understand there VERY wrong and a serious thing. ( some do it right shedding light and some do not ) Also would help others become educated to help others who may be in these situations and prevent you know death.. For the show 13 Reasons Why I liked a lot and learned a lot from it from all this girl went through and was mad at a lot of the characters in the film thinking they could of helped her and spoke up and most of all treated her better. I seen people online and in person do this to others who are in need of help and it sickens me how the world is now. I would say my peace about what I think about the world but I'm going keep it to myself. All I can say if more people come together by watching or reading these stuff and stop being hateful, negative and not caring we WOULD have a somewhat better place to live in the world. But that's just my opinion. For some time for my own situations of some of these horrible things happening to me I was in the dark and alone but I got  A LOT of support from my family and seeked help from others. It was really hard I have to admit since I blamed myself for a lot of what all happened to me growing up but asking for help is the BEST thing to do since really you can't do it on your own. I came a VERY long way and more of a stronger young women. True, it was painful or even hell for me and even hearing others going through these types of things but I know people can over come it if they get support and people should know about these types of things. But people who make shows, movies, or even wrtie books should do it in the right way and be more educated on the matter then just simply writing or making something with out knowing what there getting into. My opinion again. Thank you for sharing this Soulless. Also know people who have been through hard times or been in situations like these your not alone and I personal understand since I am a survivor myself. 

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@SleepyLeoulf I completely agree with you as well. Although I myself have never seen 13 Reasons Why, I included it because it was one of the shows my friend bashed for "being too violent". Like you said, if we all came together and watched and learned from these shows the world would be much better, but I feel like people (including my friend) don't want to address it because it's not all rainbows and sunshine. I feel like they treat it as taboo, and that's what's making it worse. 

It's so wonderful to know that you survived all the terrible things that life threw at you. I'm glad you're able to still stand and offer advice to those who're going through similar situations. Your braver and determination compels me, and perhaps many others, to keep pushing forward! Thank you ^^

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@SoullessMarshmallow Your welcome and thank you for thinking I'm brave, I appreciate it. I would give 13 Reasons Why a chance to watch it. Yes, it is sad and somewhat well graphic but not too much I thought in my opinion. Also I learned a lot from it and I think soon they will finish it on Netflix sometime since the ending was different from the book. I wont spoil it though. " I"  think people should know more about this stuff since it does happen more than it used to in years before, sadly. But like I said and wont get into it. It's just how the world is today which is sad. I really hope things do get better but who knows what the future holds for us.

Just those who are kind to others keep being kind and also those who help people keep helping people. The more we do it and spread the word things will change even if it's just a little bit, its still better than nothing. 

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@SoullessMarshmallow This is absolutely excellent, I have to strongly agree with you with your arguments, ignoring issues like that will only give them more popularity. Not only the arguments are correct, but you also wrote them in a fashion which makes it easy to understand and very attracting.

I'm glad these are your thoughts about this sensitive subject.

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6 minutes ago, Rudilla said:

@SoullessMarshmallow This is absolutely excellent, I have to strongly agree with you with your arguments, ignoring issues like that will only give them more popularity. Not only the arguments are correct, but you also wrote them in a fashion which makes it easy to understand and very attracting.

I'm glad these are your thoughts about this sensitive subject.

Thank you. I'm glad my points are easy to understand, and that my argument is strong as well as attracting. I'm pleased to know that we share the same thoughts ^^ 

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I am currently working on a writer project that revolves around four characters, two of which suffer from major mental illnesses and one of which struggles with anxiety due to his past. These three are fairly easy for me to portray and write out since I myself suffer with some of, if not most, of the same problems these characters have. However, the fourth character is much harder for me to write out since I don't want to make any mistakes with how he is shown to the viewers ...
The fourth character is a young child who was assaulted at a very young age, along with losing his family during that time. I have been researching the normal behaviour of such assault victims but I haven't been able to talk with any personally and all my research has been based online.

So yes, I strongly agree with your statements above. Especially since I myself, even from a young age, did not enjoy "Happily ever after" stories as much as the next kid. I've always been innately cynical and had a dark out look on life, always opting to see the bad in things because I always expect the worst to happen and I quite enjoy a good book that can shed light on horrible things. I'm actually reading Flowers In The Attic by V.C. Andrews right now and that series is rife with terrible things and disturbing content. However, I absolutely adore the series and love how the writer portrays everything so perfectly.
My view on graphic/vulgar content in books is that it's needed. At least sometimes. I mean, life is not all sunshine and rainbows, it's rarely ever even a glimpse of sunshine and rainbows, so having books and movies constantly portray it as such would be utterly useless in my opinion.

Now, portraying such things in the right way is the only way such things should be put into books and movies. If you're going to write about things of that caliber then you need to research and study up on it, not just wing it and hope you did a good enough job. That's one of the reasons it's taken me so long to actually get started on my writing project, I'm still hesitant to begin due to not knowing if I have all the facts or not, since I would really love to talk to a real life survivor of such assault because it's not enough to think you understand the victims if you don't have all the facts.

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2 hours ago, ItsSammy said:

I am currently working on a writer project that revolves around four characters, two of which suffer from major mental illnesses and one of which struggles with anxiety due to his past. These three are fairly easy for me to portray and write out since I myself suffer with some of, if not most, of the same problems these characters have. However, the fourth character is much harder for me to write out since I don't want to make any mistakes with how he is shown to the viewers ...
The fourth character is a young child who was assaulted at a very young age, along with losing his family during that time. I have been researching the normal behaviour of such assault victims but I haven't been able to talk with any personally and all my research has been based online.

So yes, I strongly agree with your statements above. Especially since I myself, even from a young age, did not enjoy "Happily ever after" stories as much as the next kid. I've always been innately cynical and had a dark out look on life, always opting to see the bad in things because I always expect the worst to happen and I quite enjoy a good book that can shed light on horrible things. I'm actually reading Flowers In The Attic by V.C. Andrews right now and that series is rife with terrible things and disturbing content. However, I absolutely adore the series and love how the writer portrays everything so perfectly.
My view on graphic/vulgar content in books is that it's needed. At least sometimes. I mean, life is not all sunshine and rainbows, it's rarely ever even a glimpse of sunshine and rainbows, so having books and movies constantly portray it as such would be utterly useless in my opinion.

Now, portraying such things in the right way is the only way such things should be put into books and movies. If you're going to write about things of that caliber then you need to research and study up on it, not just wing it and hope you did a good enough job. That's one of the reasons it's taken me so long to actually get started on my writing project, I'm still hesitant to begin due to not knowing if I have all the facts or not, since I would really love to talk to a real life survivor of such assault because it's not enough to think you understand the victims if you don't have all the facts.

Exactly, we all understood the point. It's a pity people won't stop complaining about it being 'too discouraging and disturbing', but it's the truth, and it has to change.

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9 hours ago, ItsSammy said:

I am currently working on a writer project that revolves around four characters, two of which suffer from major mental illnesses and one of which struggles with anxiety due to his past. These three are fairly easy for me to portray and write out since I myself suffer with some of, if not most, of the same problems these characters have. However, the fourth character is much harder for me to write out since I don't want to make any mistakes with how he is shown to the viewers ...
The fourth character is a young child who was assaulted at a very young age, along with losing his family during that time. I have been researching the normal behaviour of such assault victims but I haven't been able to talk with any personally and all my research has been based online.

So yes, I strongly agree with your statements above. Especially since I myself, even from a young age, did not enjoy "Happily ever after" stories as much as the next kid. I've always been innately cynical and had a dark out look on life, always opting to see the bad in things because I always expect the worst to happen and I quite enjoy a good book that can shed light on horrible things. I'm actually reading Flowers In The Attic by V.C. Andrews right now and that series is rife with terrible things and disturbing content. However, I absolutely adore the series and love how the writer portrays everything so perfectly.
My view on graphic/vulgar content in books is that it's needed. At least sometimes. I mean, life is not all sunshine and rainbows, it's rarely ever even a glimpse of sunshine and rainbows, so having books and movies constantly portray it as such would be utterly useless in my opinion.

Now, portraying such things in the right way is the only way such things should be put into books and movies. If you're going to write about things of that caliber then you need to research and study up on it, not just wing it and hope you did a good enough job. That's one of the reasons it's taken me so long to actually get started on my writing project, I'm still hesitant to begin due to not knowing if I have all the facts or not, since I would really love to talk to a real life survivor of such assault because it's not enough to think you understand the victims if you don't have all the facts.

You've clearly picked an extremely daunting character trait, and I deeply appreciate the amount of research you put into making sure their reactions and mentality are up to par. I fully agree with all the points you're making. It's really upsetting that people choose to cover up such illnesses and crimes just for the sole purpose that it's not "happy", unfortunately, it's hard to change the minds of those who choose to believe that what they're doing is right. 

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I am maybe a bit too sensitive to pedophilia, as a whole discussion basis I think.

I can't really handle any jokes, novels or movies about the said subject matter.

I wouldn't condemn anyone that chooses to write about it.

That's their business and opinion.

Like Stephen King deals with the theme a lot in his books and film adaptions.

I don't like what he puts in there, on the other hand he is a genius in writing.

He puts a new spin on the taboo and lets you see it in a different light entirely.

Hence, why he will always be a "master" to me.

 

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I agree with you completely. I am so sick of everything being sugarcoated and everything being such bullshit all the time. So many people have such a lack of reality of the real shit that goes on in the world. They want everything to seem like a perfect wonderland but that is not the case at all.  Rape, murder, pedophiles, war - all this shit exists in the world and sugarcoating wont change anything. I think that books or tv shows or movies should not be shunned down on because of violence or rape and things like that. Its just ignorant to say. Needless to say I dont think rape or murder or things like that are good its horrible but it exists and excluding it from books and movies would be excluding a part of human life. Depression is very different I think. A lot of people don't understand what its like and I think thats why its hard for them to read books or watch films with serious depression. Anyway thats my two cents 

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Kind of funny how this kind of relates to what I notice among my peers and elders.

where I live, people keep saying that reading the content you mention is bad because it desensitizes people and/or would make you want to seek out more because you enjoy it, but I agree people need to be exposed to this stuff because mature content can be presented in a mature fashion, and books are the one of the few ways that we can understand what others are dealing with, in addition to teaching us valuable lessons.

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