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Hey so I want to have an open conversation about something I think people maybe overlook or try not to think to heavily about, which is what I did for a long time but recently I can’t anymore it’s like my mind unlocked info and now I can’t turn it off. We all know anime has a lot of fan service right? Well usually I can ignore it cause it’s usually just a high-school girl with big boobs and her panties are showing, stereotypical. I’m talking about the other issue. The sexualization of very young girls and or young looking girls. For example, I’m scrolling on a website to read a manga and I come across one with a girl in elementary school flashing her panties and I’m like what is this? I just ignore it but I do want to ask how is it so widely accepted? I know most people see it and go oh god but we also like don’t riot or try and take it down. It’s considered freedom of expression or the argument is “the author isn’t a pedo he likes anime lolis”. It got me to thinking though when manga artists who do draw sexualized anime girls( specifically very young ones) are they using a reference in their head? Do they have a reference of a real life little girl and use her to draw, or is it more they use reference of a made up adult but just makes them smaller in their head, or do they use other loli characters as reference so on and so fourth or do they make up the anime girl completely without any reference whether real or fake. I just couldn’t get it out of my head if they’re using real children as reference to draw whether they use fotos of images in their head of real kids they’ve seen. Even big time anime’s or mangakas will draw young girls flashing their non existent cleavage or showing panties, one good example is Shirō from no game no life. she’s literally 11 but so sexualized. It’s so prevalent in other shows and mangas and they tend to be created by men as well. I love anime and manga, I really do, but I just wanted to get opinions from other people who see this happening as well, how do you cope? Or are you also not coping well. Do you have any more knowledge and insight from artists who do draw loli characters? Are they not using real kids and reference. The problem here to is there will be artists who are creeps and do use real children, I guess I’m talking about the majority of the community that draws that kind of stuff, what do they use as reference if any. Thank you for listening to me ramble, I just feel like this is an important topic and want to talk to other people who either feel the same way I do or who have different opinions or thoughts. :)

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this!! I couldn't stress it enough It's honestly disgusting how sexualized minors are in anime and manga, and how normalised it's become too. Even things such as sailor uniforms are so fetishized and sexualised to the point it's almost considered normal. The last time I checked, they are worn by middle schoolers. Middle schoolers. It's such a big issue, and I can see why it's one of the reasons a lot of people turn away from giving anime/manga a chance.

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@Jaywolf88 I cannot stress enough how much I agree with this, the main argument you'll hear from people is "it's a cartoon / fiction, it's not a real person", but that really means nothing when you consider that the things we enjoy in fiction are very strongly related to the things we want in reality. For instance, very silly but accurate example, if you adore dogs IRL, it's very likely you'll naturally enjoy a work of art about dogs. The same principle applies for pretty much everything else, and the excuse that it's "an anime, it's what it does" is a deflection of the fact that these people are genuine paedophiles trying to mask what they are. Is every person who enjoys anime with some degree of fan service one of them? I want to believe not, that some are just ignorant and so desensitised to the sexualisation of minors that they just go with it. It's essential to help them grow aware of the dangerous culture they're promoting unawaringly (or aware). I've been falling out of watching anime more and more with the years, to the point where I only watch maybe one or two things a year if a friend recommends it to me. Paradoxical considering I'm an admin in a website called Anime Forums, but I know there's a lot of value in the art of Japanese animation and I want to strive for a healthier environment that recognises it over cheap eye candy for perverts.