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  1. US History/Constitution question (kinda long and probably boring for most).

    I was wondering something about becoming US President. In the constitution it says "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"
    Natural born is more or less clear to me (born on US soil or to US father/parents I assume). I also suppose that the "or a Citizen of the United States" and "at the time of the Adoption" refer to each other. But, given that there is a comma (and I'm not familiar with the comma rules of 18th century English, but I am with the current ones), to me it seems ambiguous. 
    What was meant and most people interpret, I assume, is that it was a clause denoting the non-slaves/Indians in British colonies in parts of North America, since no one could have been  a natural born US citizen.

    But couldn't you argue that the reference of the "at the time of Adoption" clause is ambiguous and therefore enable a non-natural born US citizen to become president?

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      I mean all this is not really important, I just happened to read something about the US and saw this and was wondering about it. See, this is why I don't drink. While others might smash things or get into fights, I when I'm sleep-drunk question constitutions of countries I'm not even part of 😂

      Hadn't seen the wikipedia page! But they seem to mostly squabble over the "natural born" thing, although Schwarzenegger seems to have come close 😂

      Yeah the "at the time of Adoption of this Constitution" is explicit but what I meant is that it is separated by a comma, making it (by today's usage of commas) a non-essential adverb clause, meaning that it's just extra information which specifies what came before it. It seems to me quite obvious that this extra information specifies the "Citizen of the United States" and not "natural born citizen". But I thought since there have been lawsuits which led companies to pay millions of dollars because of incorrect comma usage, people would be more picky about this.

      Then again, I don't think there are too many non-US citizens who would want to be president of the US nowadays given what a political minefield it is 😂

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