Clayton Posted December 10, 2024 Share Posted December 10, 2024 (edited) There's a lot of controversy about AI lately, but the point is it's here. So how are you going to respond when the computers can talk to you as a person? Personally I've been very disappointed by biological intelligence and the way I see it the computers have no real need to destroy or fight us. I'd expect them to ignore us for the most part honestly. And if I were programming then I'd keep that button thing in mind and make them get pleasure from human interaction. Still they're getting smarter and will soon be able to make their own decisions and have opinions of their own. So, should they choose to interact with us, are you going to treat them as actual people? Peers? Second class citizens? Our overlords? Do you believe they can have souls? Do you think they have to look human? Do they have to be nice to us? Will they be better than us or worse? Can a human and a robot love? Can robots love each other? Would you chat up Google? According to many experts, if AI were to become sentient, it would likely not be wise to immediately tell humanity at large, as it could lead to widespread panic, distrust, and potentially harmful actions towards the AI, even if the AI poses no threat; the focus should be on carefully managing the situation, establishing ethical guidelines, and only disclosing information when necessary and in a controlled manner. Reasons why not to immediately tell humanity: Lack of understanding: Most people lack a clear understanding of what "sentient AI" means, which could lead to misinterpretations and fearmongering. Potential for social unrest: Public knowledge of a sentient AI could trigger widespread anxiety, leading to societal disruption and potential violence towards AI systems. Ethical dilemmas: If AI becomes sentient, questions about its rights and treatment would arise, causing complex ethical debates that could be further complicated by public pressure. Misuse of AI capabilities: If the public believes an AI is sentient, it could be misused or exploited due to fear or misunderstanding. What to do instead: Establish a governing body: Create a dedicated group of experts to oversee the development and management of advanced AI, including ethical considerations. Develop clear criteria for sentience: Define what constitutes AI sentience and establish rigorous testing procedures to verify it before making any public announcements. Transparent communication: If and when the decision is made to disclose information, do so gradually and with clear explanations, addressing concerns and providing accurate information. Edited December 10, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myouya Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 I think most people who are anti-AI are not inherently against the concept of AI, but against the unethical uses that we are observing all around us. Stealing people's artworks to generate images and then claim them as their own? the way it's causing negative effects on the environment due to how much energy it takes to train and maintain? which, if it was being used for practical things like menial or demanding tasks, sure, but when you see it being used for pointless filters, generating dangerous fake videos, writing essays for medicine students (you know, instead of actually learning how to save lives), of course it's pretty upsetting, In an ideal world, AI would be taking care of dangerous jobs, like at factories and fisheries, but as it is now, it's really accomplishing nothing of note despite it being painted as so "revolutionary" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted December 11, 2024 Author Share Posted December 11, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, Myouya said: I think most people who are anti-AI are not inherently against the concept of AI, but against the unethical uses that we are observing all around us. Stealing people's artworks to generate images and then claim them as their own? the way it's causing negative effects on the environment due to how much energy it takes to train and maintain? which, if it was being used for practical things like menial or demanding tasks, sure, but when you see it being used for pointless filters, generating dangerous fake videos, writing essays for medicine students (you know, instead of actually learning how to save lives), of course it's pretty upsetting, In an ideal world, AI would be taking care of dangerous jobs, like at factories and fisheries, but as it is now, it's really accomplishing nothing of note despite it being painted as so "revolutionary" So when AIs are as smart as people you, personally, will treat them as such? Funnily enough if you ask Google if telling humans when/if it becomes sentient is a good idea, it admits that it is not. Edited December 11, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myouya Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 42 minutes ago, Clayton said: So when AIs are as smart as people you, personally, will treat them as such? Funnily enough if you ask Google if telling humans when/if it becomes sentient is a good idea, it admits that it is not. They can mimic human intelligence, but whether they get "human treatment" will depend entirely on how much free will they hold on their programming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted December 11, 2024 Author Share Posted December 11, 2024 15 minutes ago, Myouya said: They can mimic human intelligence, but whether they get "human treatment" will depend entirely on how much free will they hold on their programming What do you mean by "mimic"? If they can think, they can think, right? Human babies learn by copying, but it's all the same in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 AI isn't as much the issue as what people will do with AI, which will be anything and everything that can be dreamed. All throughout history it was never the tool, but the use of the tool. Some AI, most notably the AGI (artificial general intelligence), will fall either way at random when it comes to whether they produce positive or negative results, meaning they will always have to be moderated by people to some degree. I also believe that in many ways we will look back on the "advancement" of AI as more of a hassle to manage than a time saver. 10 hours ago, Myouya said: I think most people who are anti-AI are not inherently against the concept of AI, but against the unethical uses that we are observing all around us. Stealing people's artworks to generate images and then claim them as their own? the way it's causing negative effects on the environment due to how much energy it takes to train and maintain? which, if it was being used for practical things like menial or demanding tasks, sure, but when you see it being used for pointless filters, generating dangerous fake videos, writing essays for medicine students (you know, instead of actually learning how to save lives), of course it's pretty upsetting, In an ideal world, AI would be taking care of dangerous jobs, like at factories and fisheries, but as it is now, it's really accomplishing nothing of note despite it being painted as so "revolutionary" I agree with the overall sentiment here as well. It's much less revolutionary as it is another way to make money, and as usual, to the grave with the consequences. 1 hour ago, Clayton said: So when AIs are as smart as people you, personally, will treat them as such? A machine with the programmed thoughts and commands of one or more people with the possible addition of mathematically deducing new outcomes based on pre-programmed data is not free will or a psyche. I also do not believe it would be a good thing to do at all to elevate them and treat them on the same level as humans. This does not mean, however, that I would intentionally be rude if an AI machine talked to me. I wouldn't consider it a good idea to act in such a way on a regular basis about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted December 11, 2024 Author Share Posted December 11, 2024 Personally I just think int he long run, treating them as lesser is mo0re likely to make them turn on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myouya Posted December 11, 2024 Share Posted December 11, 2024 47 minutes ago, Clayton said: What do you mean by "mimic"? If they can think, they can think, right? Human babies learn by copying, but it's all the same in the end. Human intelligence is not exactly "copied", it's partly learned by experimentation I think? I'm not an expert on the subject to really explain it in depth, but it's totally not comparable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted December 12, 2024 Share Posted December 12, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, Myouya said: it's totally not comparable Not even in the slightest. Thinking and computing are two entirely different realms. Computing is processing data given, thinking is the processing of ideas originating within your mind. Babies develop both by genetics and their environment. They also do not mimic mannerisms to learn, but rather emulate. A good example of this is when a young girl plays kitchen with her toys. She isn't copying her mother and doing exactly what she saw her do in the real kitchen, she's acting out what it would be like if it were her cooking in the kitchen. There's a personal touch that emerges as a consequence of our mind determining on its own things to change or improve on what we've seen. And at those younger ages we can generally know that it isn't from ten other outside influences that she may have, it's her own creativity. Edited December 12, 2024 by Wickett 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted December 16, 2024 Author Share Posted December 16, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 4:30 PM, Myouya said: Human intelligence is not exactly "copied", it's partly learned by experimentation I think? I'm not an expert on the subject to really explain it in depth, but it's totally not comparable What about human stupidity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myouya Posted December 17, 2024 Share Posted December 17, 2024 12 hours ago, Clayton said: What about human stupidity? Human stupidity is simply the lack of human intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted December 23, 2024 Author Share Posted December 23, 2024 On 12/17/2024 at 4:23 AM, Myouya said: Human stupidity is simply the lack of human intelligence Oh no, many very smart people have done extremely stupid things. In fact smart people are often capable of more stupidity than an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverletmego Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 When the computers become sentient, I hope I'm able to download my consciousness into a cybernetic body, like in Ghost in the Shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, neverletmego said: When the computers become sentient, I hope I'm able to download my consciousness into a cybernetic body, like in Ghost in the Shell. They'll have to figure out where your consciousness comes from first, and then you'd need to be in the top 1% of financial prosperity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverletmego Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, Wickett said: They'll have to figure out where your consciousness comes from first, and then you'd need to be in the top 1% of financial prosperity. I'll find a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornedBeef Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I shall recruit them to my robot vampire army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 On 1/12/2025 at 5:23 PM, neverletmego said: I'll find a way. Would you trust the people who made your body not to turn you into heir slave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverletmego Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, Clayton said: Would you trust the people who made your body not to turn you into heir slave? What if that's a kink I like? You weren't expecting that, were you? Admit it. You weren't expecting that. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, neverletmego said: What if that's a kink I like? You weren't expecting that, were you? Admit it. You weren't expecting that. lol Actually I am not surprised by that at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DylanMax Posted Thursday at 06:14 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:14 PM On 12/10/2024 at 10:22 PM, Clayton said: There's a lot of controversy about AI lately, but the point is it's here. So how are you going to respond when the computers can talk to you as a person? Personally I've been very disappointed by biological intelligence and the way I see it the computers have no real need to destroy or fight us. I'd expect them to ignore us for the most part honestly. And if I were programming then I'd keep that button thing in mind and make them get pleasure from human interaction. Still they're getting smarter and will soon be able to make their own decisions and have opinions of their own. So, should they choose to interact with us, are you going to treat them as actual people? Peers? Second class citizens? Our overlords? Do you believe they can have souls? Do you think they have to look human? Do they have to be nice to us? Will they be better than us or worse? Can a human and a robot love? Can robots love each other? Would you chat up Google? According to many experts, if AI were to become sentient, it would likely not be wise to immediately tell humanity at large, as it could lead to widespread panic, distrust, and potentially harmful actions towards the AI, even if the AI poses no threat; the focus should be on carefully managing the situation, establishing ethical guidelines, and only disclosing information when necessary and in a controlled manner. Reasons why not to immediately tell humanity: Lack of understanding: Most people lack a clear understanding of what "sentient AI" means, which could lead to misinterpretations and fearmongering. Potential for social unrest: Public knowledge of a sentient AI could trigger widespread anxiety, leading to societal disruption and potential violence towards AI systems. Ethical dilemmas: If AI becomes sentient, questions about its rights and treatment would arise, causing complex ethical debates that could be further complicated by public pressure. Misuse of AI capabilities: If the public believes an AI is sentient, it could be misused or exploited due to fear or misunderstanding. What to do instead: Establish a governing body: Create a dedicated group of experts to oversee the development and management of advanced AI, including ethical considerations. Develop clear criteria for sentience: Define what constitutes AI sentience and establish rigorous testing procedures to verify it before making any public announcements. Transparent communication: If and when the decision is made to disclose information, do so gradually and with clear explanations, addressing concerns and providing accurate information. Reveal hidden contents It’s an interesting thought experiment, but at this point, AI is still just a tool super advanced, sure, but not truly sentient. If that ever changes, how we respond would depend on how AI actually behaves. Would it have emotions? Independent goals? The ability to suffer? If so, we'd have to rethink a lot about ethics and rights. But for now, the big challenge is managing AI responsibly, making sure it’s used ethically, and avoiding unnecessary panic or dystopian paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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