Wickett Posted July 25, 2024 Share Posted July 25, 2024 Quote Well, think about it. If a Japanese person who knows nothing about Western culture or ways of thinking were to give the kind of answer you mentioned to a question like the one in the title from a Westerner, the respondent would find themselves in quite a difficult position in Western society, wouldn't they? This article explains Western culture so that those who are asked questions like the one in the title by Westerners can protect their safety and social standing while responding. In Japan, what is considered good sex appeal is traditionally viewed as a demonic and immoral trait in the West. This article alerts Japanese readers to the fact that flaunting beauty or sexual attractiveness, openly praising someone’s beauty or sexual attractiveness, or freely enjoying sexual expressions or fantasies, as Japanese people often do, can be seen as extremely irresponsible and antisocial from a Western perspective. We're a country that has destroyed young minds with porn and we export porn more than any other country on the planet. I don't think Japan has anything to fear in terms of liking sexual things, and anyone who would go after them should drop the stone and look at some numbers. I completely understand and appreciate the desire to translate, you might say, the cultures so that things for people traveling abroad are protected as well as possible, but this doesn't play into my original reason for entering this thread to begin with, and that's the reason why some manga breasts are drawn large. Quote I've read various market surveys, but I don't think that number applies to Japan at all. It seems disconnected from the reality in Japan. Are you misunderstanding something about the study, or is the study itself incorrect? Was that survey even conducted on Japanese people in the first place? You're 100% right that these things contradict one another quite often, but this was the top result I received when I search "percentage of male and female manga readers" Shueisha Reveals New Circulation Numbers, Demographics for its Manga Magazines - News - Anime News Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted July 25, 2024 Author Share Posted July 25, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wickett said: We're a country that has destroyed young minds with porn and we export porn more than any other country on the planet. I don't think Japan has anything to fear in terms of liking sexual things, and anyone who would go after them should drop the stone and look at some numbers. I completely understand and appreciate the desire to translate, you might say, the cultures so that things for people traveling abroad are protected as well as possible, but this doesn't play into my original reason for entering this thread to begin with, and that's the reason why some manga breasts are drawn large. You're 100% right that these things contradict one another quite often, but this was the top result I received when I search "percentage of male and female manga readers" Shueisha Reveals New Circulation Numbers, Demographics for its Manga Magazines - News - Anime News Network "My original reason for entering this thread to begin with, and that's the reason why some manga breasts are drawn large." Isn't that obvious? You can tell just by looking. What is there to debate? "This doesn't play into my original reason for entering this thread to begin with," The original reason of this article is not to discuss why manga characters' breasts are drawn large from a biological perspective, but to clarify why Westerners ask such questions, the ideologies behind these questions, and how we should respond. "You're 100% right that these things contradict one another quite often, but this was the top result I received when I searched 'percentage of male and female manga readers.'" The article you sent described only the magazine sales situation of a single publisher, Shueisha, and did not study the gender ratio of manga fans in Japan. As I repeat, the claim that there are significantly more male fans than female fans is highly unbelievable. It goes against intuition, and statistically, the gender ratio should be balanced or slightly in favor of females. " I don't think Japan has anything to fear in terms of liking sexual things, and anyone who would go after them should drop the stone and look at some numbers." I have doubts. At least in the West, making such a claim in public is dangerous for someone trying to gain social status. They would immediately face social pressure and could end up socially ruined. I don’t necessarily think that Westerners should put down the stone though. Western asceticism is a motivation to refine oneself and strive to become a virtuous person, which I believe is a respectable virtue in itself. It’s just that since we don’t hold the view that pornography destroys the minds of the young in the first place, so we need to learn Western thinking to defend ourselves accordingly. By the way, wasn’t Japan the biggest exporter of porn? Edited July 25, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted July 25, 2024 Share Posted July 25, 2024 Quote Isn't that obvious? You can tell just by looking. What is there to debate? I don't know, you disagreed with me and my assessment. Quote The original reason of this article is not to discuss why manga characters' breasts are drawn large from a biological perspective, but to clarify why Westerners ask such questions, the ideologies behind these questions, and how we should respond. Westerners ask this question? They don't already know by how obvious it is? Quote The article you sent described only the magazine sales situation of a single publisher, Shueisha, and did not study the gender ratio of manga fans in Japan. As I repeat, the claim that there are significantly more male fans than female fans is highly unbelievable. It goes against intuition, and statistically, the gender ratio should be balanced or slightly in favor of females. I've been looking into this and the general takeaway is that it's extremely hard to know these numbers exactly. Some show males beating out the females in terms of readership where another study I read that had a very small sample of participants came out way more female. Regardless of this, my point still remains the same. Quote I have doubts. At least in the West, making such a claim in public is dangerous for someone trying to gain social status. They would immediately face social pressure and could end up socially ruined. I don’t necessarily think that Westerners should put down the stone though. Western asceticism is a motivation to refine oneself and strive to become a virtuous person, which I believe is a respectable virtue in itself. It’s just that since we don’t hold the view that pornography destroys the minds of the young in the first place, so we need to learn Western thinking to defend ourselves accordingly. By the way, wasn’t Japan the biggest exporter of porn? With all due respect, I don't believe you're explaining yourself that clearly. I'm not getting a very accurate read at all as to where you stand or the overall point you're trying to make in this portion of the conversation. Are you saying you believe a Japanese person in New York City (for example) saying that large anime breasts are sexually appealing when watching an anime would be considered strange enough to lose social status? I really don't believe this to be the case at all. If you told someone you had 15 different anime character body pillows that you regularly did stuff with then yes, then you'd be crossing a line, but the average Westerner isn't going to Batman slap a Japanese person for saying that sex appeal in largely drawn anime breasts exists. If I've missed your point entirely, please let me know. In regard to asceticism, only in some areas. The melting pot idea has worked less and less with time and the States in general are more divided than they ever have been culturally, and a good deal of this is due to differences in religion and background. Cultures range all over the place here in the States and there are many religious people here who can recognize that sex appeal exists without thinking you're going straight to hell for believing that. I agree that it's respectable to show restraint and think of yourself as having a spark of divinity you might say, guiding you in the direction to act based on principle that helps others instead of living a hedonistic lifestyle, but to think less of someone because their culture sees sex a little differently and judging them harshly as though you yourself are some beacon of higher morality is literally what the lesson in the Bible was supposed to prevent. It is, in fact, destructive to the brain and the more consistently you watch it the more damage can be done. It can take months for the brain to recalibrate after quitting it, and the desire for the easy dopamine release can be as hard to kick as illegal hard drugs. This being said, condemning a person for a cultural difference or something they struggle with isn't the way to go. The United States absolutely dominates the world in the exportation of pornography, sitting at 24.5% with the UK being second at 5.5%. The States, as a collective whole, needs to get themselves in order before thinking everyone else is in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted July 26, 2024 Author Share Posted July 26, 2024 (edited) On 7/26/2024 at 6:22 AM, Wickett said: I don't know, you disagreed with me and my assessment. Westerners ask this question? They don't already know by how obvious it is? I've been looking into this and the general takeaway is that it's extremely hard to know these numbers exactly. Some show males beating out the females in terms of readership where another study I read that had a very small sample of participants came out way more female. Regardless of this, my point still remains the same. With all due respect, I don't believe you're explaining yourself that clearly. I'm not getting a very accurate read at all as to where you stand or the overall point you're trying to make in this portion of the conversation. Are you saying you believe a Japanese person in New York City (for example) saying that large anime breasts are sexually appealing when watching an anime would be considered strange enough to lose social status? I really don't believe this to be the case at all. If you told someone you had 15 different anime character body pillows that you regularly did stuff with then yes, then you'd be crossing a line, but the average Westerner isn't going to Batman slap a Japanese person for saying that sex appeal in largely drawn anime breasts exists. If I've missed your point entirely, please let me know. In regard to asceticism, only in some areas. The melting pot idea has worked less and less with time and the States in general are more divided than they ever have been culturally, and a good deal of this is due to differences in religion and background. Cultures range all over the place here in the States and there are many religious people here who can recognize that sex appeal exists without thinking you're going straight to hell for believing that. I agree that it's respectable to show restraint and think of yourself as having a spark of divinity you might say, guiding you in the direction to act based on principle that helps others instead of living a hedonistic lifestyle, but to think less of someone because their culture sees sex a little differently and judging them harshly as though you yourself are some beacon of higher morality is literally what the lesson in the Bible was supposed to prevent. It is, in fact, destructive to the brain and the more consistently you watch it the more damage can be done. It can take months for the brain to recalibrate after quitting it, and the desire for the easy dopamine release can be as hard to kick as illegal hard drugs. This being said, condemning a person for a cultural difference or something they struggle with isn't the way to go. The United States absolutely dominates the world in the exportation of pornography, sitting at 24.5% with the UK being second at 5.5%. The States, as a collective whole, needs to get themselves in order before thinking everyone else is in the wrong. "I don't know, you disagreed with me and my assessment." What I meant is it's obvious that large breasts are drawn that way to add a variety of sex appeal. There's no point in debating that. The important thing is not that it is sexually appealing or not but that, while in Japan, eroticism is generally regarded as sacred and good, in the West it is traditionally considered demonic and evil. Additionally, in Japan, artists who express themselves freely are praised, whereas those who are restrained are looked down upon. In contrast, in the West, those who exercise self-control and refrain from free expression are respected, while those who are openly free are criticized. "Westerners ask this question?" Of course. Easterners would not ask such a question because it is obvious. "They don't already know by how obvious it is?" The reason Westerners ask this question is not because they genuinely don’t understand why breasts are emphasized; that’s irrelevant. They are not asking about the reason for the emphasis on breasts but are questioning the moral implications of emphasizing them. "Are you saying you believe a Japanese person in New York City (for example) saying that large anime breasts are sexually appealing when watching an anime would be considered strange enough to lose social status?" In Western cities like New York, it's not advisable to be too overt about discussing breasts. Openly praising sexual attractiveness, or freely enjoying sexual expressions or fantasies, as Japanese people often do, can be seen as extremely irresponsible and antisocial from a Western perspective. "It is, in fact, destructive to the brain and the more consistently you watch it the more damage can be done." Then, I guess our Japanese brains must already be completely destroyed, haha. In Japan, it is common knowledge that sexual desire is a natural and fundamental human need. However, in the West, due to new and old values like christianity and feminism, this understanding is not as universally accepted, despite long-standing efforts in sex education. As a result, there is still a strong belief that porn is destructive to the brain and it is abnormal to have sexual desires. In West, Sexual desires is often attributed to negative influences from the media and this kind of claim is frequently used as theoretical ammunition by asceticists who aim to impose expression restrictions. "In regard to asceticism, only in some areas. " Based on my observations, asceticism, especially the restriction of entertainment, diet and sexual activity, has been seen throughout Western civilization across both ancient and modern times. Western asceticism can be found in a wide range and is both extremely ancient and continuously evolving. It appears in ancient religions much older than Judaism, traditional religions such as Christianity and Islam, modern ideologies like socialism and Nazism, as well as emerging ideologies such as environmentalism and feminism. All of these have advocated for some form of asceticism. Edited July 28, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted July 27, 2024 Author Share Posted July 27, 2024 4 hours ago, Clayton said: Nothing i posted was unpleasant. What exactly are you looking for here? Do you not enjoy huge boobs? Were you looking for something else? Are you genuinely confused why people like them? Give more detail if you want answers. Or were you just posting in the hopes everyone would agree with you and move on? Anime has its big beauties too. Sadly anime girls tend to be too dang skinny, even when they have large boobs. They're built like lolipops. Accent on the loli. I know a lot of them are in junior high, but if that's the case, why the huge boobs? Well It seems that your mother raised you to persistently send disgusting and sexual images to women who don't want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 (edited) On 7/26/2024 at 1:25 AM, ASPERBURG said: "I don't know, you disagreed with me and my assessment." What I meant is it's obvious that large breasts are drawn that way to add a variety of sex appeal. There's no point in debating that. The important thing is not that it is sexually appealing or not but that, while in Japan, eroticism is generally regarded as sacred and good, in the West it is traditionally considered demonic and evil. Additionally, in Japan, artists who express themselves freely are praised, whereas those who are restrained are looked down upon. In contrast, in the West, those who exercise self-control and refrain from free expression are respected, while those who are openly free are criticized. "Westerners ask this question?" Of course. Easterners would not ask such a question because it is obvious. "They don't already know by how obvious it is?" The reason Westerners ask this question is not because they genuinely don’t understand why breasts are emphasized; that’s irrelevant. They are not asking about the reason for the emphasis on breasts but are questioning the moral implications of emphasizing them. "Are you saying you believe a Japanese person in New York City (for example) saying that large anime breasts are sexually appealing when watching an anime would be considered strange enough to lose social status?" In Western cities like New York, it's not advisable to be too overt about discussing breasts. Openly praising sexual attractiveness, or freely enjoying sexual expressions or fantasies, as Japanese people often do, can be seen as extremely irresponsible and antisocial from a Western perspective. "It is, in fact, destructive to the brain and the more consistently you watch it the more damage can be done." Then, I guess our Japanese brains must already be completely destroyed, haha. In Japan, it is common knowledge that sexual desire is a natural and fundamental human need. However, in the West, due to new and old values like christianity and feminism, this understanding is not as universally accepted, despite long-standing efforts in sex education. As a result, there is still a strong belief that porn is destructive to the brain and it is abnormal to have sexual desires. In West, Sexual desires is often attributed to negative influences from the media and this kind of claim is frequently used as theoretical ammunition by asceticists who aim to impose expression restrictions. "In regard to asceticism, only in some areas. " Based on my observations, asceticism, especially the restriction of entertainment, diet and sexual activity, has been seen throughout Western civilization across both ancient and modern times. Western asceticism can be found in a wide range and is both extremely ancient and continuously evolving. It appears in ancient religions much older than Judaism, traditional religions such as Christianity and Islam, modern ideologies like socialism and Nazism, as well as emerging ideologies such as environmentalism and feminism. All of these have advocated for some form of asceticism. Typically I enjoy addressing individual points as we have been but for time's sake today I'm going to try and consolidate at least a little bit and summarize. I've also just recognized that because of the way that your conversation was going with Clayton, I did not quite understand what your intended theme for this thread was initially, and it's now quite clear that the discussion had strayed greatly, so I apologize if by chance I only aided in doing that, but it wasn't intentional. It's true that across the board the open expression of graphic sexual themes in the States is generally frowned upon (my earlier point was that many of our cities have become way more liberal on such issues in recent years). The West was predominantly built upon Christian values, which as we all know centers such issues around the importance of strong marriages and families, and it is a major problem over here that pornography interrupts the typical Christian's idea of what a healthy sex life looks like. I am among this way of thinking as well, though I share very little beliefs with modern Christians in my country. This being said, in the way that I generally try to approach and handle people, the world is huge and people have completely different ideas about what is right and good. I may not agree with them, but I would hate to make someone think they're less than dirt because they've grown up differently than I have, and I would absolutely say, unequivocally, that a very large percentage of Americans are way too high minded about their ideals, all while failing to prove the validity of their own. It's a hypocritical attitude that I detest. At the risk of sounding a bit silly here, it's been fun to sit and have a fleshed-out conversation with you, being in your lovely country I have admired and dreamed of going to for years. The perspective is interesting and it's a lot of fun. Lastly I will simply say, that after repeated studies of the affects that porn has on the brain, I have personally come to the conclusion that it is cheap, a distraction from more important things, damaging to the pleasure centers of the brain due to abuse of dopamine, and trains the brain to put too much emphasis on the act of sex. I battled it as a teenager, and can say from someone who has experienced both sides up close and personal, that I am genuinely a happier person with it not in my life. It sells so well, and it's thrown in our face at every turn. I don't think I'm something great because I can "resist something evil", but I wish people would consider stop making easier money off something as base to a human as sex appeal, and let people try living a life without it. Edited July 28, 2024 by Wickett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted July 29, 2024 Share Posted July 29, 2024 (edited) There are plenty of animes that do not have large breasted women in them. On 7/26/2024 at 8:16 PM, ASPERBURG said: Well It seems that your mother raised you to persistently send disgusting and sexual images to women who don't want them. I have not posted any nudity or the like. I took the time and picked images that demonstrate the large breasts this thread spoke of without actually showing anything inappropriate. While it was certainly implying sexuality aesthetically it was all PG-13 or lower relevant to this conversation from anime, manga, and the like. I did not swear, make sexually suggestive comments, or in any way post anything that was not involved in this conversation and attempted to explain exactly why people enjoy such things, as demanded by the original post. However if you could in detail explain why any of those images, which did not even have nipples poking through their clothes, were inappropriate (again, most of them such as the grandma dancing with the sagging boobs, which is a character in the anime Blue Seed) were "disgusting" I would be interested in hearing why. To me they were well drawn and relevant images that illustrated my point and were, for the most part, also very attractive. And I certainly did not send them specifically to you, but posted them in a clearly marked thread. Edited July 29, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted August 1, 2024 Author Share Posted August 1, 2024 (edited) On 7/29/2024 at 6:51 AM, Wickett said: Typically I enjoy addressing individual points as we have been but for time's sake today I'm going to try and consolidate at least a little bit and summarize. I've also just recognized that because of the way that your conversation was going with Clayton, I did not quite understand what your intended theme for this thread was initially, and it's now quite clear that the discussion had strayed greatly, so I apologize if by chance I only aided in doing that, but it wasn't intentional. It's true that across the board the open expression of graphic sexual themes in the States is generally frowned upon (my earlier point was that many of our cities have become way more liberal on such issues in recent years). The West was predominantly built upon Christian values, which as we all know centers such issues around the importance of strong marriages and families, and it is a major problem over here that pornography interrupts the typical Christian's idea of what a healthy sex life looks like. I am among this way of thinking as well, though I share very little beliefs with modern Christians in my country. This being said, in the way that I generally try to approach and handle people, the world is huge and people have completely different ideas about what is right and good. I may not agree with them, but I would hate to make someone think they're less than dirt because they've grown up differently than I have, and I would absolutely say, unequivocally, that a very large percentage of Americans are way too high minded about their ideals, all while failing to prove the validity of their own. It's a hypocritical attitude that I detest. At the risk of sounding a bit silly here, it's been fun to sit and have a fleshed-out conversation with you, being in your lovely country I have admired and dreamed of going to for years. The perspective is interesting and it's a lot of fun. Lastly I will simply say, that after repeated studies of the affects that porn has on the brain, I have personally come to the conclusion that it is cheap, a distraction from more important things, damaging to the pleasure centers of the brain due to abuse of dopamine, and trains the brain to put too much emphasis on the act of sex. I battled it as a teenager, and can say from someone who has experienced both sides up close and personal, that I am genuinely a happier person with it not in my life. It sells so well, and it's thrown in our face at every turn. I don't think I'm something great because I can "resist something evil", but I wish people would consider stop making easier money off something as base to a human as sex appeal, and let people try living a life without it. >At the risk of sounding a bit silly here, it's been fun to sit and have a fleshed-out conversation with you, being in your lovely country I have admired and dreamed of going to for years. The perspective is interesting and it's a lot of fun. I appreciate your kind words about my country:) Thank you for the enjoyable conversation too! I have always admired your lovely country too and it's been wonderful to discuss with you. >many of our cities have become way more liberal on such issues in recent years Western asceticism can be found in a wide range and is both extremely ancient and continuously evolving. It appears in traditional religions such as Christianity, as well as modern ideologies like liberalism. All of these have advocated for some form of asceticism. For example social constructivist feminism is a type of liberalism but campaigning worldwide to restrict freedom of expression. In both 2015 and 2022, they influenced the United Nations to urge Japan to abolish freedom of expression, demonstrating their significant international influence . >a distraction from more important things Your efforts to avoid sexual expressions and focus on more valuable matters are commendable. By honing yourself, you will become a fine person. However, I fear that Japanese people may not understand this. When you say "more important," it stems from the notion of looking down on sexual expressions. Westerners believe that glamour, sexual love, and the temptation of beauty come from evil, and they encourage avoiding these to pursue self-improvement. Japanese people do not share this sense. Moreover, Japanese people believe that sexual expressions itselves have value. We actually equate eroticism with the "more important things". We equate eroticism with divinity, Buddhahood, virtue, strength, and justice. For the same reasons, those in the sex industry are not seen as being in a lowly profession. >I wish people would consider stop making easier money off something as base to a human as sex appeal Your efforts to criticize people in the sex industry and to encourage others to avoid such professions are commendable, but you need to be cautious when doing this in Japan. In the West, professions related to sexuality are considered lowly, and people engaged in such work are unconditionally seen as having low status, being antisocial, and causing harm to people and society. Thus, few people dare to defend those in such professions, and often the individuals themselves wish to quit, making it less problematic to discriminate against them. However, Japan is different. In Japan, there is a tradition of valuing and respecting eroticism, beauty and aesthetics, coupled with a strong Confucian belief that no occupation is inherently lowly. Consequently, the sex industry is not easily regarded as a lowly profession, and your criticism may be perceived as mere occupational discrimination. Moreover, indiscriminately discriminating against someone of higher status can be seen as an egregious act of disrespect, leading to social repercussions. This is particularly dangerous if the person you discriminate against is beautiful and sexy or a distinguished creator of such content. In Japan, being more beautiful and sexy than you or be capable to create such contents means being more divine and noble than you. Additionally, based on the Confucian value that social contribution is made through taxation, if the person is a high taxpayer, they may easily be regarded as having a higher social status than you. In Japan, many people in this profession have a strong sense of self-respect, working with professional pride. It is not considered an especially easy job, either. Moreover, what may be beyond the comprehension and imagination of Westerners is that such professions are often aspirational in Japan, respected, and supported by a devoted fanbase. Therefore, if you discriminate with the same sense as in the West, the person may not retreat or hide as their Western colleague,s but might react vehemently and counterattack. In that case, Japanese society, including people of high social status, will publicly side with them and criticize you. Everyone would do so, and I would likely do the same. >damaging to the pleasure centers of the brain due to abuse of dopamine, and trains the brain to put too much emphasis on the act of sex. >I battled it as a teenager, and can say from someone who has experienced both sides up close and personal, that I am genuinely a happier person with it not in my life. Actually, one concept that is common knowledge in the East but not well-known in the West is the existence of the three basic desires: the desire for food, the desire for sex, and the desire for sleep. These three desires are considered a kind of survival instinct and are believed to be inherent in all healthy humans. All Japanese learn about the three basic desires in elementary school. So Japanese people usually do not believe that sexual expressions destroy the brain. Additionally, you mentioned that you wished you had had fewer opportunities to be exposed to sexual expressions when you were young. This statement is very strange to Japanese people because it sounds similar to saying you wished you had suffered more from hunger and sleeplessness when you were young. In Japanese society, where pornography is rampant and everyone grows up surrounded by it, I have never met anyone who has said such a thing. Even though Japanese people are accustomed to such expressions from a young age, no one has had their brain destroyed by them. Why should you be an exception? First of all, survival instincts, including sexual desire, do not disappear just because you eliminate pornography. Just as the desire for food and sleep does not disappear even if you deprive someone of food or sleep, it only intensifies in a state of deprivation. Suppressing survival instincts is as difficult as overcoming the fear of death. Inhibiting the three basic desires can cause extreme stress and pain comparable to torture, and the person subjected to this may react as if their life is threatened. This can lead to intense excitement, increased aggression, and the risk of mental illness and physical harm. This is why in ascetic societies, rape and violent crimes are rampant. In fact, in the West, the crime rate is several times to dozens of times higher than in Japan. While abstinence and self-discipline are important, it is crucial to practice them within reasonable limits in consultation with medical professionals. Especially for children, abstinence should be exempted. This is because when the three basic desires are obstructed during childhood, it can hinder healthy development and lead to obesity, sleep disorders, abnormal sexual desires, and failures in love and marriage. On 7/30/2024 at 2:51 AM, Clayton said: There are plenty of animes that do not have large breasted women in them. I have not posted any nudity or the like. I took the time and picked images that demonstrate the large breasts this thread spoke of without actually showing anything inappropriate. While it was certainly implying sexuality aesthetically it was all PG-13 or lower relevant to this conversation from anime, manga, and the like. I did not swear, make sexually suggestive comments, or in any way post anything that was not involved in this conversation and attempted to explain exactly why people enjoy such things, as demanded by the original post. However if you could in detail explain why any of those images, which did not even have nipples poking through their clothes, were inappropriate (again, most of them such as the grandma dancing with the sagging boobs, which is a character in the anime Blue Seed) were "disgusting" I would be interested in hearing why. To me they were well drawn and relevant images that illustrated my point and were, for the most part, also very attractive. And I certainly did not send them specifically to you, but posted them in a clearly marked thread. I didn't ask you to justify yourself. I said stop because it's unpleasant. Think for yourself about what is appropriate to post. If you're unsure, show it to your mother before sending it. Edited August 1, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted August 1, 2024 Share Posted August 1, 2024 (edited) Quote Western asceticism can be found in a wide range and is both extremely ancient and continuously evolving. It appears in traditional religions such as Christianity, as well as modern ideologies like liberalism. All of these have advocated for some form of asceticism. For example social constructivist feminism is a type of liberalism but campaigning worldwide to restrict freedom of expression. In both 2015 and 2022, they influenced the United Nations to urge Japan to abolish freedom of expression, demonstrating their significant international influence I can assure you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that while they are still outnumbered there is a large percentage of people in our country that have no use whatsoever for asceticism and fully back a hedonic life, particularly in the direction of sexuality. I don't present it this way simply because I disagree with it, but I can also add that their goal is to do whatever they want with zero consequences. The consequences being, primarily, the destruction of the classic nuclear family that our country was built on. It's at this point that I would very much like to stress something, because after reading your reply this has become quite apparent to me. The temperament of the average American is not the same as the average Japanese. This is neither a good nor bad thing, as far as I can see, but it does create differences that stem from that within our two societies. On the topic of Japanese culture and mindset, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can assure you that the way sexuality affects the typical American does not seem to be the same at all to the average Japanese. We (and by "we" I mean Americans with more traditional values) discourage sex work and pornography because we've seen it destroy families and the emphasis on sex within a marriage. We value these things as the bedrock of our country and culture. You describe the Japanese as being a people that can more easily engage in such things without it affecting their growth and family life down the road. On the average, Americans cannot do this. We crave what we take in, and the fantasies of pornography give our youth an unrealistic concept of sex that if attempted to obtain will harm their growth and their hopes for a family. This is interesting but it also doesn't surprise me, seeing as how the Japanese have always come across to me throughout history as being incredibly and admirably disciplined. Quote Actually, one concept that is common knowledge in the East but not well-known in the West is the existence of the three basic desires: the desire for food, the desire for sex, and the desire for sleep. These three desires are considered a kind of survival instinct and are believed to be inherent in all healthy humans. All Japanese learn about the three basic desires in elementary school. This is taught and understood fairly well here in the States I would say, but the difference here is in the moderation of each desire. Don't eat too much or too little, same with sleep, and with sex, the difference in our cultures becomes more notable. The classic American conception is the use of sex in a marriage as the ultimate expression of love and reproduction, whereas in your country apparently it isn't as strict. I can't say that I personally agree with this, but I understand it as a cultural difference, and I don't look down on it. Quote So Japanese people usually do not believe that sexual expressions destroy the brain. Additionally, you mentioned that you wished you had had fewer opportunities to be exposed to sexual expressions when you were young. This statement is very strange to Japanese people because it sounds similar to saying you wished you had suffered more from hunger and sleeplessness when you were young. In Japanese society, where pornography is rampant and everyone grows up surrounded by it, I have never met anyone who has said such a thing. Even though Japanese people are accustomed to such expressions from a young age, no one has had their brain destroyed by them. Why should you be an exception? This is why I went ahead and stated my opinion of the apparent differences in our temperaments, and I'd like to call back on that now. We look on sex as something that can and should be controlled. You can't survive without food and sleep, but you can technically live and die without ever having sex. Obviously, if no one ever had sex and reproduced then you would die out, but I'm not speaking in those terms, merely how sex affects a single human body. Quote First of all, survival instincts, including sexual desire, do not disappear just because you eliminate pornography. Just as the desire for food and sleep does not disappear even if you deprive someone of food or sleep, it only intensifies in a state of deprivation. Suppressing survival instincts is as difficult as overcoming the fear of death. I understand and agree with what you're saying here, but I am also informing you that pornography isn't an outlet that generally helps us, it just makes us want the real thing even more, which I absolutely believe contributes to sexually related crimes. The self-discipline truly does appear, to me anyway, as being way higher in your country, and issues such as these accentuate that. Quote This is why in ascetic societies, rape and violent crimes are rampant. In fact, in the West, the crime rate is several times to dozens of times higher than in Japan. This is not from asceticism, this is from little to no proper rearing and education of children, and how to not be criminals. We do not believe people should not have sex, we believe they should have sex within a stable marriage and family situation. Not open and free sex with anyone at any time. Again, when I say "we" I mean people with older and more traditional values such as myself. I obviously don't mean to speak for everyone. Quote Especially for children, abstinence should be exempted. This is because when the three basic desires are obstructed during childhood, it can hinder healthy development and lead to obesity, sleep disorders, abnormal sexual desires, and failures in love and marriage. Help me understand here, are you saying that Japanese children are freely exposed to sexuality as a base desire the same as food and sleep? If I'm understanding that correctly, what ages are we talking about here? Also, I can assure you that the negative impact you believe it has on children not to expose them to it, is the exact negative impact it has on children over here to expose them to it. In closing, I didn't really have anything to add to much of the middle part of your post, but I did want to mention that I found your explanation of some of the social hierarchy to be really interesting and informative as well. Edited August 1, 2024 by Wickett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted August 2, 2024 Author Share Posted August 2, 2024 (edited) 14 hours ago, Wickett said: Help me understand here, are you saying that Japanese children are freely exposed to sexuality as a base desire the same as food and sleep? If I'm understanding that correctly, what ages are we talking about here? Also, I can assure you that the negative impact you believe it has on children not to expose them to it, is the exact negative impact it has on children over here to expose them to it. Your question is quite broad, so the answer will take some time; please be patient! Regarding sex education for Japanese youth, I have already provided a response, so I'll start with that. My reflections on sex education in the East and the West are as follows: In Japan, it is not only considered natural but also healthy for children entering puberty to start showing interest in sexual matters. Books, manga, anime and games for young boys and girls often include many sexual expressions, and parents feel happy about their children's growth when they show interest in such expressions. Conversely, they may worry about delayed development if their children do not show interest. Furthermore, Japanese society generally believes that allowing children to freely read their favorite manga, watch their favorite anime and play their favorite games contributes to their happiness and growth. Therefore, prohibiting or excessively restricting manga and games is often seen as cruel abuse. On the other hand, in the West, where desires including sexual desire have traditionally been seen as vices and abstinence is believed to promote human growth, the common view is that letting children read indecent comics will not result in them becoming decent adults, and sexual expressions are considered unsuitable for children. In Japan, it is common knowledge that sexual desire is a natural and fundamental human need. However, in the West, due to new and old values like christianity and feminism, this understanding is not as universally accepted, despite long-standing efforts in sex education. As a result, there is still a strong belief that it is abnormal for girls and children to have sexual desires, attributing it to negative influences from media. It is thought that sexual awakening can and should be prevented through regulation. Protecting children from such media is seen as a parental responsibility. Parents are expected to monitor all the programs their children watch and the games they play. Parents who fail to do so are considered neglectful and unfit, often facing severe criticism, strict social sanctions, and even legal penalties. The media is regarded as having significant social responsibility, requiring strict educational considerations and being readily subject to regulation. Therefore, the kind of erotic manga for children that is abundant in Japan is completely beyond the understanding and imagination of Westerners. For a Japanese parent to feel deeply moved by discovering erotic manga hidden in their adolescent child's room, thinking, "Ah, my child is at an age where they are interested in these things," is a common parenting experience in Japan but something Westerners might find hard to relate to. Edited August 2, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted August 3, 2024 Share Posted August 3, 2024 I love how the implication that this whole thing is somehow exclusive to Japanese culture. Boobs appear in cartoons. heck, they appear on cartoon characters that are not mammals. This is in no way a new thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted August 4, 2024 Share Posted August 4, 2024 On 8/2/2024 at 8:45 AM, ASPERBURG said: Your question is quite broad, so the answer will take some time; please be patient! Regarding sex education for Japanese youth, I have already provided a response, so I'll start with that. My reflections on sex education in the East and the West are as follows: In Japan, it is not only considered natural but also healthy for children entering puberty to start showing interest in sexual matters. Books, manga, anime and games for young boys and girls often include many sexual expressions, and parents feel happy about their children's growth when they show interest in such expressions. Conversely, they may worry about delayed development if their children do not show interest. Furthermore, Japanese society generally believes that allowing children to freely read their favorite manga, watch their favorite anime and play their favorite games contributes to their happiness and growth. Therefore, prohibiting or excessively restricting manga and games is often seen as cruel abuse. On the other hand, in the West, where desires including sexual desire have traditionally been seen as vices and abstinence is believed to promote human growth, the common view is that letting children read indecent comics will not result in them becoming decent adults, and sexual expressions are considered unsuitable for children. In Japan, it is common knowledge that sexual desire is a natural and fundamental human need. However, in the West, due to new and old values like christianity and feminism, this understanding is not as universally accepted, despite long-standing efforts in sex education. As a result, there is still a strong belief that it is abnormal for girls and children to have sexual desires, attributing it to negative influences from media. It is thought that sexual awakening can and should be prevented through regulation. Protecting children from such media is seen as a parental responsibility. Parents are expected to monitor all the programs their children watch and the games they play. Parents who fail to do so are considered neglectful and unfit, often facing severe criticism, strict social sanctions, and even legal penalties. The media is regarded as having significant social responsibility, requiring strict educational considerations and being readily subject to regulation. Therefore, the kind of erotic manga for children that is abundant in Japan is completely beyond the understanding and imagination of Westerners. For a Japanese parent to feel deeply moved by discovering erotic manga hidden in their adolescent child's room, thinking, "Ah, my child is at an age where they are interested in these things," is a common parenting experience in Japan but something Westerners might find hard to relate to. I had to think back for a minute, but I do remember seeing a couple of anime where the mom or dad found the manga and was happy to see it, making for a humorous moment embarrassing the child. This child was around the age of 16 or 17, however, and I was curious how early this kind of material usually gets in the hands of Japanese children. It is still my personal takeaway here that the average temperament and attitude of an American is vastly different in this regard as opposed to Japanese. It is no surprise to anyone that I agree in a more traditional approach of closely monitoring children's access to media and what they take in, however, it doesn't appear to be harming the typical Japanese family all that much to practice what they do. The divorce rate in the States in 2023 was 40%, whereas Japan saw a 1.2% divorce rate in 2023. No family is perfect, divorced or not, but those numbers are in my opinion an amazing testament to what the Japanese hold dear and I greatly respect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted August 6, 2024 Share Posted August 6, 2024 (edited) Keep in mind that cartoon characters do not actually exist and as fictional characters we often have to judge them purely on their looks, because we do not have time to get to know the real them. Also there is no real them. Edited August 6, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted August 10, 2024 Author Share Posted August 10, 2024 (edited) On 8/5/2024 at 5:49 AM, Wickett said: I had to think back for a minute, but I do remember seeing a couple of anime where the mom or dad found the manga and was happy to see it, making for a humorous moment embarrassing the child. This child was around the age of 16 or 17, however, and I was curious how early this kind of material usually gets in the hands of Japanese children. It is still my personal takeaway here that the average temperament and attitude of an American is vastly different in this regard as opposed to Japanese. It is no surprise to anyone that I agree in a more traditional approach of closely monitoring children's access to media and what they take in, however, it doesn't appear to be harming the typical Japanese family all that much to practice what they do. The divorce rate in the States in 2023 was 40%, whereas Japan saw a 1.2% divorce rate in 2023. No family is perfect, divorced or not, but those numbers are in my opinion an amazing testament to what the Japanese hold dear and I greatly respect it. >If I'm understanding that correctly, what ages are we talking about here? Well, first of all, I think that Japanese world view lacks the strong belief, as held by Western societal norms, that there is an age group that absolutely should not be exposed to sexual content at all. However, since this alone might be difficult for Westerners to imagine, I believe it is appropriate to provide examples for the sake of accuracy and persuasiveness. Example 1: Ribon Shueisha's most popular girls' manga magazine. The primary readers are girls from elementary school age and above. I was an avid reader of it at the time. Although it is relatively restrained by Japanese standards, it generally includes themes that Western parents would consider problematic, such as free love between boys and girls, kissing, caressing, marriage, contraception, divorce, homosexuality, cross-dressing, injuries, crime, nudity, makeup, beauty, and fashion. Example 2: Monthly CoroCoro Comic A monthly manga magazine published by Shogakukan. The primary readers are elementary school boys. I rarely read it, so I am not familiar with its content, but I know that it generally includes sexual expressions that Western parents would consider problematic, such as nudity or homosexuality. Example 3: Monthly Sixth Grader(月刊小学六年生) A grade-specific learning magazine formerly published by Shogakukan. The primary readers were sixth-grade boys and girls in elementary school. It has since been discontinued. I was an avid reader of it at the time. It generally included themes that Western parents would consider problematic. Its popular serialized feature was the "Erotic Art Gallery," which solicited erotic drawings from readers and published the best submissions. These examples illustrate that, in the Japanese publishing industry, at least some publishers assumed that sixth-grader chldren (around the age of eleven) can appreciate and create erotic works. Additionally, it points out that children under ten who are exposed to such expressions are generally not considered to be facing any particular issues. The divorce rate in the States in 2023 was 40%, whereas Japan saw a 1.2% divorce rate in 2023. That’s impossible! You must be misunderstanding something. If my memory serves me correctly, the divorce rate in Japan is around 40%, which should be comparable to that of the United States. Edited August 11, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted August 12, 2024 Share Posted August 12, 2024 (edited) Personally I always thought Velma had a better figure than Daphne. She fills out that baggy orange sweater remarkably well. Overall I think we can all agree breasts do make for not only great astetics, but humor as well Edited August 15, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted August 12, 2024 Share Posted August 12, 2024 On 8/9/2024 at 10:24 PM, ASPERBURG said: >If I'm understanding that correctly, what ages are we talking about here? Well, first of all, I think that Japanese world view lacks the strong belief, as held by Western societal norms, that there is an age group that absolutely should not be exposed to sexual content at all. However, since this alone might be difficult for Westerners to imagine, I believe it is appropriate to provide examples for the sake of accuracy and persuasiveness. Example 1: Ribon Shueisha's most popular girls' manga magazine. The primary readers are girls from elementary school age and above. I was an avid reader of it at the time. Although it is relatively restrained by Japanese standards, it generally includes themes that Western parents would consider problematic, such as free love between boys and girls, kissing, caressing, marriage, contraception, divorce, homosexuality, cross-dressing, injuries, crime, nudity, makeup, beauty, and fashion. Example 2: Monthly CoroCoro Comic A monthly manga magazine published by Shogakukan. The primary readers are elementary school boys. I rarely read it, so I am not familiar with its content, but I know that it generally includes sexual expressions that Western parents would consider problematic, such as nudity or homosexuality. Example 3: Monthly Sixth Grader(月刊小学六年生) A grade-specific learning magazine formerly published by Shogakukan. The primary readers were sixth-grade boys and girls in elementary school. It has since been discontinued. I was an avid reader of it at the time. It generally included themes that Western parents would consider problematic. Its popular serialized feature was the "Erotic Art Gallery," which solicited erotic drawings from readers and published the best submissions. These examples illustrate that, in the Japanese publishing industry, at least some publishers assumed that sixth-grader chldren (around the age of eleven) can appreciate and create erotic works. Additionally, it points out that children under ten who are exposed to such expressions are generally not considered to be facing any particular issues. The divorce rate in the States in 2023 was 40%, whereas Japan saw a 1.2% divorce rate in 2023. That’s impossible! You must be misunderstanding something. If my memory serves me correctly, the divorce rate in Japan is around 40%, which should be comparable to that of the United States. You're right, a bit surprising to learn of such youth magazines, I personally don't agree with the approach but that doesn't come from a place of high mindedness at all. My only wish, in regard to this particular topic, is that young Japanese growing up can eventually enjoy the benefits of a wholesome marriage and family life. I consider such things to be paramount, and want the best for you and your people. I'm getting a lot of conflicting data on the divorce rate. Some sources say 1.2%, I've seen 1.7%, but other sites are indicating 35.5%. Obviously, I trust you know what you're talking about, but I've always had the impression that divorce was much more heavily frowned upon in Japan than the States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPERBURG Posted August 18, 2024 Author Share Posted August 18, 2024 (edited) On 8/13/2024 at 5:52 AM, Wickett said: You're right, a bit surprising to learn of such youth magazines, I personally don't agree with the approach but that doesn't come from a place of high mindedness at all. My only wish, in regard to this particular topic, is that young Japanese growing up can eventually enjoy the benefits of a wholesome marriage and family life. I consider such things to be paramount, and want the best for you and your people. I'm getting a lot of conflicting data on the divorce rate. Some sources say 1.2%, I've seen 1.7%, but other sites are indicating 35.5%. Obviously, I trust you know what you're talking about, but I've always had the impression that divorce was much more heavily frowned upon in Japan than the States. >a more traditional approach of closely monitoring children's access to media It may not be intuitive, but in my view, closely monitoring children's and adults' access to media (ascetism) is not necessarily unique to so-called traditional approach in West; it can also be found in progressivism. Let me give you an example. Have you seen the new anime "The Elusive Samurai" that recently started airing? This work is currently very popular in Japan, and I watch it every week. The story is about Hojo Tokiyuki, a historical figure from medieval Japan. Since the protagonist is a historical hero of Japan, the author has depicted him as a beautiful, alluring and erotic young boy. His beauty, elegant, sexy and enchanting appearance symbolizes heroism, power, genius, divinity, nobility, superhuman qualities, a promise of victory, destiny, regal qualities, virtue, and divine protection. Naturally, such a portrayal has provoked backlash from Western viewers. I cannot in good faith recommend anyone I know watch the Elusive Samurai https://www.reddit.com/r/TheElusiveSamurai/comments/1epq0f4/i_cannot_in_good_faith_recommend_anyone_i_know/ Look, ascetics are harshly criticizing "The Elusive Samurai." They claim the work is sexual. They also criticize others who do not condemn it, seeing their silence as a sign of moral decay. The Eastern sense that beauty, youthfulness, allure and eroticism can symbolize virtue is alien and difficult to understand for Western ascetics. Therefore, Western viewers cannot help but see such temptation as problematic and unacceptable. They view this portrayal as a harmful influence on society and believe that removing it would lead to social progress. They consider the author to be an anti-social figure who brings about social regression and destruction. They demand the exclusion of the author and the work. Furthermore, they argue that those who tolerate such expressions are complicit in social evil and should be denounced as accomplices and punished together. What is noteworthy is that despite being extremely ascetic, s/he does not use any religious language in their criticisms. This is not accidental but a deliberate avoidance. They exclusively use modern sociological vocabulary. It is probably clear that they are not necessarily traditional religious people—perhaps they are left-wing or progressives, but I don’t know. However, in the belief that responsible citizens should contribute to the improvement of both themselves and society through asceticism, the left and right, conservative and progressive forces in the West share the same perspective. Western thought often competes for the status of being the most ascetic and virtuous. Isn't that interesting? Edited August 18, 2024 by ASPERBURG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted August 21, 2024 Share Posted August 21, 2024 (edited) What would anime be like without large boobs? Hmmm... actually that might make a good fan fic... something like It's A Wonderful Life and A Christmas Carol... But anyway whatever anime you're thinking of that has large breasted characters as a main element, what would it be like if it was redone and those characters were flat chested? How would losing the giant breasts affect the show/manga? And to be fair some anime companies, like 4Kids... have tried it. But seriously how would lack of giant breasts affect the anime? Edited August 21, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted August 28, 2024 Share Posted August 28, 2024 Quote It may not be intuitive, but in my view, closely monitoring children's and adults' access to media (ascetism) is not necessarily unique to so-called traditional approach in West; it can also be found in progressivism. Let me give you an example. Have you seen the new anime "The Elusive Samurai" that recently started airing? This work is currently very popular in Japan, and I watch it every week. The story is about Hojo Tokiyuki, a historical figure from medieval Japan. Since the protagonist is a historical hero of Japan, the author has depicted him as a beautiful, alluring and erotic young boy. His beauty, elegant, sexy and enchanting appearance symbolizes heroism, power, genius, divinity, nobility, superhuman qualities, a promise of victory, destiny, regal qualities, virtue, and divine protection. I tried to read the Reddit thread but it looks like the link no longer works unfortunately. I will look into the anime, as I saw it recommended on Crunchyroll the other day and it looked fairly interesting. I would encourage you. however, to realize that due to the massive size of our country, the political/societal/religious views here in the States are all over the spectrum, blending various values at once happens frequently as well. I can assure you though, the vast majority of progressives in our country see absolutely nothing wrong with the sexualization of almost anything. I can clearly see, based upon your overview and thoughts on The Elusive Samurai that the average Japanese person recognizes beauty and art in things that a lot of Westerners do not, and I see nothing at all inherently wrong with that. Quote The Eastern sense that beauty, youthfulness, allure and eroticism can symbolize virtue is alien and difficult to understand for Western ascetics. Therefore, Western viewers cannot help but see such temptation as problematic and unacceptable. They view this portrayal as a harmful influence on society and believe that removing it would lead to social progress. They consider the author to be an anti-social figure who brings about social regression and destruction. They demand the exclusion of the author and the work. Furthermore, they argue that those who tolerate such expressions are complicit in social evil and should be denounced as accomplices and punished together. I will certainly, at some point soon, give The Elusive Samurai a watch (possibly not the whole thing, we'll see) and let you know what I think. What I personally believe this boils down to is simply how two different cultures respond to such media. It's fun to compare these things, but ultimately, I don't believe either one is wrong at their core. I believe intent plays a large role in all of this, and the virtue Japan places behind some of its content is intended to have good consequences. Quote However, in the belief that responsible citizens should contribute to the improvement of both themselves and society through asceticism, the left and right, conservative and progressive forces in the West share the same perspective. Western thought often competes for the status of being the most ascetic and virtuous. Isn't that interesting? This depends greatly. The left and right in our country have never been further apart, and core principles that used to somewhat hold both sides together they no longer have in common. The traditional sense of asceticism (though sometimes practiced poorly) is intended to help keep families strong, which is the foundation of our country since its birth. Plenty of people take this way too far in my opinion, but the idea is an outward thinking philosophy intended to better people and their communities. The progressive's approach, as far as I can observe, are merely a lashing out against that idea and the focus is on the self, a very inward thinking type of "I'll do what makes me happy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted September 6, 2024 Share Posted September 6, 2024 (edited) Again, why is everyone acting like this is exclusively an Eastern concept? All animation has had girls with large breasts from the beginning. Betty Boop and Red Hot Red Ridinghood... up to June and Asami in Avatar. Big boobs are sexy, funny, and at times useful. It's not as if the Eastern Cultures have not had large boobs in art before. have you seen some of the statues? It was just impolite and potentially dangerous to mention that Kwan Yin and Kali and various other goddesses and demons are rather stacked. Edited September 6, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-chan Posted September 10, 2024 Share Posted September 10, 2024 Wow this thread is an interesting read. I am from the Oriental and have just moved to the States for about a year. I haven't talked much with any people who watch anime here, as I tend to be secretive about my hobbies. However, I have noticed the attitudes here toward sexualization that both Wickett and ASPERBURG have pointed out. For me personally - even though I'm not from Japan - I don't feel that sexualization is an inherently bad thing, which is why I was so assured to read this. On 8/28/2024 at 5:14 PM, Wickett said: I can assure you though, the vast majority of progressives in our country see absolutely nothing wrong with the sexualization of almost anything With how intense some people on social media write about sexualization, they scared me a little lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickett Posted September 10, 2024 Share Posted September 10, 2024 15 hours ago, K-chan said: Wow this thread is an interesting read. I am from the Oriental and have just moved to the States for about a year. I haven't talked much with any people who watch anime here, as I tend to be secretive about my hobbies. However, I have noticed the attitudes here toward sexualization that both Wickett and ASPERBURG have pointed out. For me personally - even though I'm not from Japan - I don't feel that sexualization is an inherently bad thing, which is why I was so assured to read this. With how intense some people on social media write about sexualization, they scared me a little lol. First of all, welcome to the States. Hope my country is treating you well. In fairness, what I had in mind when I wrote that was definitely not something I personally agree with. Cultures and even right down to the level of the individual and their approach to sexuality is, in my opinion, very intent based. There are people in this country who use sexuality to push political ideals, and I find that to be a destructive zero-sum game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-chan Posted September 14, 2024 Share Posted September 14, 2024 On 9/10/2024 at 4:37 PM, Wickett said: First of all, welcome to the States. Hope my country is treating you well. In fairness, what I had in mind when I wrote that was definitely not something I personally agree with. Cultures and even right down to the level of the individual and their approach to sexuality is, in my opinion, very intent based. There are people in this country who use sexuality to push political ideals, and I find that to be a destructive zero-sum game. Thank you, I ended up in quite a rural place in the US, it's been lovely so far. I think I understand what you said better now. I have never had any particular opinion about sexualization, because I have never minded (and even seen) it. I didn't even know that the word/ concept "sexualization" existed before I started partaking in English-speaking social media (and in my language, there exists no word to describe the concept, it has to be translated from English). And I could never tell if an anime scene/ character is "sexualized" until a post on Reddit pointed it out. That's why I initially felt quite assured to see you wrote On 9/10/2024 at 12:48 AM, K-chan said: I can assure you though, the vast majority of progressives in our country see absolutely nothing wrong with the sexualization of almost anything I thought that meant those people were similar to me and didn't really "see" that concept. But I forgot that in this country sexualization is a political matter, and "almost anything" expands far beyond the realm of 2D entertainment I was thinking about. And, I think I agree with you. On 9/10/2024 at 4:37 PM, Wickett said: There are people in this country who use sexuality to push political ideals, and I find that to be a destructive zero-sum game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayton Posted September 23, 2024 Share Posted September 23, 2024 (edited) Please don't get this place in trouble for slut shaming. People can be sexy and well endowed without it being seen as a bad thing. Edited September 23, 2024 by Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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