zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I only tried to act as safely as possible. If I accuse someone openly and it turns out that they are the true traitor, they might make some move to take me down instead. But it seems my "safe play" became a "dangerous play" here. Is it really any safer than simply speaking out in the thread itself? The scenario that you describe, the true traitor making a move to bring you down, that could happen regardless if you did so in PM or not - the only difference is that you attempted to draw people into a bunch of compartmentalized conversations, changing communication dynamics as illustrated: If you had created a single private message and added numerous people to it in order to discuss the risk posed by Kirry and Wedgy it wouldn't have been quite so questionable, in my opinion - instead, you rushed to fragment the flow of information between players. To me, more than what you've described, the speed with which the PMs were created seems to indicate that you wanted to, very quickly, place yourself into a position of power with regards to the flow of information in this game - to become, in ways, a private but universal confidant for the other players. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Also, @Orius Something I'd like to clarify - are voting rounds going to have a predefined length, or will they end immediately if a majority vote has been reached? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orius Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 Something I'd like to clarify - are voting rounds going to have a predefined length, or will they end immediately if a majority vote has been reached? The former. If three days have passed, or if everyone has voted, the voting rounds would automatically come to an end. It's flexible, of course, so anyone who hasn't voted by three days still have a few hours left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Nope. Those things won't happen if things went smoothly for me. My suggestions would be passed and my suspects won't have any idea that I have accused them. And putting several people in a conversation is no different from openly speaking in the thread. I would just speak on this thread instead of doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Nope. Those things won't happen if things went smoothly for me. My suggestions would be passed and my suspects won't have any idea that I have accused them. This is only the case if the traitor truly was one of your suspects - if not, the actual traitor could respond by doing what I'm doing currently. (Yes, I'm self aware) And putting several people in a conversation is no different from openly speaking in the thread. I would just speak on this thread instead of doing that. Not really - adding everyone to a single PM other than the people that you picked out to accuse would have kept the benefit of not having the two suspects in the loop, without fragmenting everyone else's communication. It'd also be less work for you. At any rate, I'll step away from the thread for a while, to give other folks the chance to read through and add their two cents... I don't want this whole thing to end up becoming an Ace Attorney skit between the two of us. Edited June 16, 2017 by Guest 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histoire Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm just eating noodles while reading. What's wrong? Keep going. lol 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm just eating noodles while reading. What's wrong? Keep going. lol Nooo. I don't want to be the only one, it makes me feel like I'm being a bully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zin Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 i can definitely see both sides of the situation, on one hand messaging people privately is much more discreet and of course leaves out the possible traitors they described but, doing so individually can definitely be kind of suspicious. if not for being the traitor then possibly for taking everyone's input for yourself w/o the others getting that advantage does that make any sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) This is only the case if the traitor truly was one of your suspects - if not, the actual traitor could respond by doing what I'm doing currently. (Yes, I'm self aware) I forgot what this thing is called. The act of exposing your own modus to the public so that people will completely remove their suspicions on you. Well played. @Orius let me clarify one thing tho since this is not said in the mechanics. Are we supposed to vote by PMing you? Edited June 16, 2017 by Guest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orius Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) @Orius let me clarify one thing tho since this is not said in the mechanics. Are we supposed to vote by PMing you? Nope. You can just post them here, hence the point of picking a character and roleplaying them as you vote. Edited June 16, 2017 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histoire Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 does that make any sense Vote @zin for she does not make any sense. jk 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I forgot how this thing is called. The act of exposing your own modus to the public so that people will completely remove their suspicions on you. Well played. Either that, or I figured it was coming either way. @Orius let me clarify one thing tho since this is not said in the mechanics. Are we supposed to vote by PMing you? C'mon, where's the fun in that? We gotta go at our attempts to murder each other with pride and gusto! And with the risk of painting a target on ourselves in so doing. does that make any sense Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Nope. You can just post them here, hence the point of picking a character and roleplaying them as you vote. Why didn't you clarify this! T - T Now I feel bad. I thought the votes are kept in secret. And that is why I acted in secret. But it seems those PMs I made are all useless since we have to vote openly on the thread. Oh well, things already happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zin Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Vote @zin for she does not make any sense. jk please spare me i am only a nonsensical lonely being, what sort of person like that could possibly be the traitor,,, Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking tbh. ah good, im glad i got my point across ok 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Why didn't you clarify this! T - T Now I feel bad. I thought the votes are kept in secret. And that is why I acted in secret. But it seems those PMs I made are all useless since we have to vote openly on the thread. Oh well, things already happened. Trying to sneaky-kill players without them having any way to defend themselves. Tsk tsk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orius Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 Why didn't you clarify this! T - T Now I feel bad. I thought the votes are kept in secret. And that is why I acted in secret. But it seems those PMs I made are all useless since we have to vote openly on the thread. Oh well, things already happened. lol I thought it was quite obvious, considering that I specifically said that you're allowed to act out your character as you vote. Why would you act out your character in secret? Also, Mafia is such a well-known game I thought people would already know the basic rules. There was rarely a secret voting, if any. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Trying to sneaky-kill players without them having any way to defend themselves. Tsk tsk. Why would I give the traitor a chance to defend themself? They might turn the tide of the battle. Just like what they are currently doing now. lol I thought it was quite obvious, considering that I specifically said that you're allowed to act out your character as you vote. Why would you act out your character in secret? Also, Mafia is such a well-known game I thought people would already know the basic rules. There was rarely a secret voting, if any. The ones I have played have secret voting rules. This is my fault not yours sorry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Why would I give the traitor a chance to defend themself? They might turn the tide of the battle. Just like what they are currently doing now. Because you seemed keen on killing off said 'traitors' in quite a hurry, in a venue in which they had no chance to defend themselves, before they even had a chance to become active in the game. The standard by which you judge someone to be a traitor seems to be as thin as a sheet of paper. Besides, if I were the traitor, would it not have made more sense to simply go along with your plan for the first round? Getting a free kill in without any fuss would have been quite appealing... which, it seems, is what your goal was - getting someone killed as quickly as possible, with as little fuss as possible, using means designed to keep you out of the spotlight as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histoire Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Why would I give the traitor a chance to defend themself? They might turn the tide of the battle. Just like what they are currently doing now. After what you just did, the chances of you being the traitor is actually quite high. If not, then YOU actually turned the tables for the traitor. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 After what you just did, the chances of you being the traitor is actually quite high. If not, then YOU actually turned the tables for the traitor. I'm just doing my job as a good samaritan. The heretical traitor needs to be executed as soon as possible. I can't let my friends die one by one by his hands 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm just doing my job as a good samaritan. The heretical traitor needs to be executed as soon as possible. I can't let my friends die one by one by his hands I see! So this is why you attempted to gather up an angry mob in the middle of the night to run out and murder one of our beloved citizens as they slept, blissfully unawares! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Histoire Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I'm just doing my job as a good samaritan. The heretical traitor needs to be executed as soon as possible. I can't let my friends die one by one by his hands And yet you're so willing to vote out a person that may or may not be the traitor. Where's the justice in that? Innocence is the greatest illusion, my friend. Hohoho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It's not really something like "let's kill them while they're still defenseless!" It's more like. "I suspect them but I'm not really sure that's why I need you to help me clear my suspicions" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoop Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 It's not really something like "let's kill them while they're still defenseless!" It's more like. "I suspect them but I'm not really sure that's why I need you to help me clear my suspicions" But that isn't what you said. "So I think we should cast our vote on either Kirry or Wedgy." There's nothing about clearing suspicion or poking to see how they react - just a clear cut call to vote one of them out. There wasn't exactly a great deal of uncertainty in your writing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrooge Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 But that isn't what you said. "So I think we should cast our vote on either Kirry or Wedgy." There's nothing about clearing suspicion or poking to see how they react - just a clear cut call to vote one of them out. There wasn't exactly a great deal of uncertainty in your writing. I stated out the reasons why I suspect them and I'm actually waiting for the one I'm talking to if they agree or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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