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  1. Welcome aboard. I think a lot of us here are "commonly misunderstood" to some degree. I think it comes with the territory of labels and the like. Everyone's "gotta have one", you know? What kind of sports are we talking? Once upon a time I was an angry dodgeball guy. Maybe a bit too much so...
  2. Once upon a bacon time, a long, long, long, bacon, time ago. There was a bacon man by the name of the Baconator...
  3. That's because the British put U's in all of their words. It's not normal I says!
  4. Introduction The original colony of Roanoke remains one of the most intriguing mysteries in the history of North America. A number of theories have been presented to explain the disappearance of the Roanoke colony. Some of these theories include the integration of the colony into Native American tribes, a northern migration, cannibalism, alien abduction, or Native American attack. The following research paper has been reposted from an academic review that was submitted in May of 2017. The Colony The colony of Roanoke is the older brother of the colony established by Sir Walter Raleigh. There were at least two settlement attempts at Roanoke before it was totally abandoned. The first was in 1585. The colony was abandoned sometime between 1588 and 1590. It was found completely abandoned with no real evidence as to what happened to the inhabitants in 1590. Today, the area that was known as Roanoke Village is in Dare County, North Carolina situated on the northeast coast of the state. Dare County is named for the Dare family, prominent in the colony of Roanoke. The Dare family claimed provenance in the New World with the birth of Virginia Dare - the first English child to be born in the New World. The Research When considering the nature of colonial times in the America’s, we are often presented with stories of interactions with the natives, and warring with other European nations. We frequently forget the mystery that shrouds this world that was entirely unknown to the Europeans. The terrain, climate, inhabitants, wildlife, and the isolation provided by the wilderness all were enough to raise hairs for the new explorer. Within these mysteries, however, are tales and stories for which we have yet to provide a solid answer. One of these stories that garners the interest of many is the lost Roanoke Colony. Before one looks at the potential causes of the disappearance of those in the Roanoke Colony, it’s important to understand a brief history of that colony. Roanoke was situated within the barrier islands of North Carolina in the late sixteenth century. This was done to not only guard the colony from pirates, but to also to remain hidden from them. The barrier islands also provided a wealth of protection from the dangers of the seas. Roanoke largely resembled many other colonies such as Jamestown, Plymouth, and Massachusetts. [1] Because of this, it’s important for us to examine these similar colonies. Some of them survived but did so at the cost of their identities. Others were absorbed later by other surrounding villages or destroyed in battles between other nations or the natives. Roanoke, however, remains the colony that has no true sense of closure as to what happened to it. An example of this is the transformation of a town called Dedham, Massachusetts in the 1630s. Dedham was described to have a flourishing Puritan population for the first years of its existence. However, an increase in native populations – some of which practiced general Christianity – led to the decline of the Puritan commune. Conflict arose as a result, but ultimately instead of self-destructing, Dedham transformed into a different kind of community. [2] While it is unlikely that any native population was practicing Christianity in the vicinity of Roanoke, it is possible that conflict with native tribes and failed integration led to the abandonment of the colony. Other colonies, such as Jamestown. were brought to the brink of destruction, narrowly escaping the same fate as Roanoke. The first accounts we have of the Jamestown expedition depict a dangerous place, and while it may not have initially been hostile, such hostilities did blossom there. Famine swept through Jamestown, and the ill-prepared colonists did not plan for the environment nor the climate that was present in Virginia. Because of this, many of them perished. [3] We do know that tensions with the natives arose at Roanoke as well, and while Jamestown survived, this was by an arguably marginal scale. Besides the potential of being sacked by native tribes or competing countries, the matter of harsh or unforgiving climates remains a widely-accepted explanation. The North American continent is home to one of the most diverse climates in the world, something for which early European settlers may have been ill prepared. With a fair amount of analysis, we have been able to determine that there may have been not only a dry and cold winter, but a dry summer as well. [4] uch dry conditions would have made growing crops difficult and could have also shifted wildlife away from the area. Such decline in the availability of food could have led to a widespread famine that either caused settlers to perish, or for them to flee elsewhere in search of food. [5] Famine is mentioned in other colonial records along with harsh or abnormal climate, such as Jamestown, Massachusetts, and Plymouth. Likewise, large quantities of rainfall could account for a decline in food and health as well. An increase in rain could lead to the destruction of crops, the fleeting of wildlife, and the increase in insect activity. While evidence tends to point towards a drought in this region during the time of the Roanoke Colony, [6] it is certainly worth considering climate as a major player in the decline and destruction of the colony. With the risks of high rainfall immediately following such a staggering drought in the 1580s, the risk of flooding on a dangerous scale increased. As Roanoke was an island, it was considerably more susceptible to heavy rains, tides, and even storm surge. Such impacts could have caused settlers to flee or be swept away by the currents. Erosion of the island itself may also be a cause for the decline in Roanoke. This erosion may have impacted potential farm lands and hunting grounds. The widespread nature of flooding and erosion may also explain why the barrier islands and the mainland were not deemed suitable for the immediate resettlement by anyone who may have fled Roanoke. [7] It remains a mystery what truly caused Roanoke’s abandonment, and today we are still searching for these answers. The most comprehensive account for the events that happened at Roanoke is the narrative provided by Ralph Lane. However, scholars are quick to point out that while Lane’s account is the most detailed, it’s also the one that suffers from the greatest problems when it comes to organization. Thus, studying this source creates challenges for understanding the nature of Roanoke. [8] Lane’s role in Roanoke is described as that of overseeing the colony, putting him in a position of power to provide insight on what happened there. He was tasked with establishing the colony as a point of reprieve for English mercenaries moving to steal assets from the Spanish in the Caribbean and Florida. [9] The fact that this was intended to be a post for the smuggling of Spanish goods away from Spain could also lead to a reason for the abandonment of the colony. A pirate attack from the Spanish either due to being pursued to Roanoke, or perhaps even the leaking of Roanoke’s location and purpose could have spelled the end of the colony at the hands of the Spanish. This would have also fit in with the “no peace beyond the line” policy that Europe had adopted after the discovery of the New World. The other account of Roanoke’s activity comes from the governor John White, who described the establishment of the colony and subsequently the report that the colony was missing. White was not present during Roanoke’s demise, however, and therefore conclusive information in his reports regarding the whereabouts of the inhabitants of the failed lost colony never existed. [10] However, White’s reports seem to provide additional context and validation to some claims that are made in Robert Lane’s report. Both seem to describe certain issues in Roanoke regarding native populations [11] and the emphasis on the security of the colony from being sacked by the Spanish. Both Lane and White were commissioned to establish this colony at the request of Sir Walter Raleigh as the first English colony. [12] As such, the understanding that the English had of this world was miniscule to none. Raleigh himself knew little of the dangers that went along with this, hearing only the accounts handed down to him by those from other nations. Likewise, due to the nature of the New World, any reports that may have reached him may not necessarily be accurate for the location that Raleigh was focused on. Ultimately, the fate of the inhabitants of the colony is unknown. White’s return to the colony to restock it led him to discover that it was abandoned and no true evidence to the location of the people was discovered. Haywood Pearce described a quartz stone that was discovered in the 1930s which may provide some minor thoughts about the fate of Roanoke, but the validity of this find is too ambiguous. It is also recognized that the stone that was found may have instead been a tombstone originally. The assumption that is reached by reading the inscription of the stone leads to several potential reasons: famine, sickness, and warfare. [13] All of these seem reasonable, and any one of these things could destroy a colony that had not yet established itself. With the stone being taken lightly, and all other evidence [14] with any value being merely text, it makes truly understanding the fate of Roanoke difficult to comprehend. We can look to analog colonies such as Jamestown for possible scenarios, but these are far from fool proof means of investigation. Colonies such as Dedham give us thought as to what might happen in the event of assimilating the two ethnicities of people, but this does not explain what might happen if the situation in Dedham were reversed. One can only use these analogs as plausible scenarios instead of absolute truths. William Bradford’s description of small pox in Plymouth could have provided some insight as to the chance of sickness befalling Roanoke, but it still does not explain the nature of which the colony was abandoned. [15] Lane’s account leads one to believe that there is a chance the colony could have been sacked by pirates from Spain that followed English pirates from the Caribbean, but this is speculation from a disorganized source. White’s description of conflict with the native population lends evidence to a war with the native Roanoke tribe, this, much like Bradford’s report, does not account for the nature of the abandonment of the colony. This mystery that has spanned more than 300 years remains today, although we are making progress in better understanding of what may have caused the desertion of Roanoke. The climate and terrain of the colony may have been such that it created devastating conditions for the first settlers, and as a result they had to flee to save themselves. Their paths may have had them cross native populations that could have either welcomed them into their communities or executed them. It is still too early to determine for sure if what happened in Roanoke was natural or man caused, but the evidence continues to grow. One thing remains certain, however: the first colonists at Roanoke have never been accounted for, and it remains one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of the New World. FOOTNOTES [1] Albeit at different places in time. [2] Lockridge, Kenneth A. A New England Town: The First Hundred Years. Norton, New York. 1970. [3] Partial detail of this account can be found in Rushforth, Brett; Mapp, Paul W. Colonial North America and the Atlantic World: A History in Documents. New York. 2009. Pp87-90. [4] Stahle, Davie W. “The Lost Colony and Jamestown Droughts.” Science. Issue 5363. 1998. pp564-567. [5] This is also supported by NCEP/NASA data and documents citing the Megadrought of 1580. NASA constructed an article only recently claiming the 1934 drought was worse than the 1580 drought. (https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20141014/) [6] Stahle references drought in the Roanoke and Jamestown regions and flooding in the inter-continental regions at this time. However, it is worth pointing this out for the sake of emphasizing the impact of climate in the region. [7] Dolan and Bosserman explore this potential (and only this potential) in their analysis in Dolan, Robert; Bosserman, Kenton. “Shoreline Erosion and the Lost Colony.” Annals of the Association of American Geographers.1972. pp424-426. [8] Described in Donegan, Kathleen. “What Happened in Roanoke: Ralph Lane’s Narrative Incursion.” Early American Literature. Volume 48, Issue 2. June 2013. p285. [9] Ibid. p286. [10] Described as context in Pearce, Haywood J. “New Light on the Roanoke Colony: A Preliminary Examination of a Stone Found in Chowan County, North Carolina.” The Journal of Southern History. May 1938. pp151-152. [11] Ibid. [12] Ibid. pp152-154. [13] Ibid. pp149-150. [14] It is unclear as to whether or not any clues were actually left for the White resupply expedition or if these were fabricated after the fact. [15] Rushforth, Brett; Mapp, Paul W. “William Bradford Describes an Outbreak of Small Pox.” Colonial North America and the Atlantic World: A History in Documents. New York. 2009. p30.
  5. That is worth everything. You do not have to make a lot of money to be rich in life. As long as you're doing what you actually want to do and it provides you with something. Again, welcome aboard. You will fit right in.
  6. Psh. Mines still "in review." Why're you so special?
  7. Woke up to the "Cold Alarm" going off on one of my thermostats this morning. Actually had to turn the heat on for a little while.
  8. I may have floated a promise out there in a thread last night that I'd share a spoopy story or two with everyone. Then it occurred to me...we have a spooky story contest (2 sentence), but no spooky story thread (for those of us who write paragraphs upon paragraphs upon bacon upon paragraphs). So...get in here! This is now a Creepypasta thread! I'll start - as promised and teased. The post where I work is pretty old. It is one of the oldest military posts in this part of the country, dating back to around 1816. The post as it's described today was established in 1862 by an act of Congress. Some of you talented researchers can probably piece together my duty station with that information. At any rate, it's in the middle of the metro area, but it's isolated. Very isolated. As with most posts it's self-contained, but this place takes on a new meaning of the term. Like any older post, it of course has old housing. There is one house, Quarters One, that is one of the largest houses in the federal inventory. No one lives there anymore, so often people come to tour the residence. Shortly after I became a permanent DAC, I was overseeing a tour that was being given by my new boss (he was newer to the organization than I was). We were giving this tour to a group of high ranking individuals from another organization on post. In Quarters One exists a callbox system that when you push a button in a room, it calls up a number in the kitchen area so that a servant might know a resident needs assistance in a particular room. The box was installed in 1872 and is in perfect working condition, new electric and everything. However, the callbox has a habit of indicating that some service is needed in some rooms of the house. That's great, except - as I said - no one lives there. Numbers 6, 12, 13, 14, 15, and 20 all tend to pop up on their own. 6 is a study, located on the first floor. 12 is the master bedroom on the second floor. 13 is the guest room on the second floor. 15 and 20 are both rooms on the third floor: 15 is in the front of the house, 20 is in the servants area. In 1871, the builder of the residence died in the study. Sometime between 1890 and 1915, a maid hung herself in the room now designated as room 20. Another commanding officer died at the quarters in the master bedroom in 1916. No known stories are attached to rooms 13 and 14. Room 15 supposedly had a guest jump out of the window and plummet to the ground below. Back to the modern day - we were giving a tour. Prior to coming in that morning, we had reset the call box, and proceeded out the front door to meet our group. My boss was giving the tour, with me supervising (a rare reversal of duties). He made his way into the kitchen, while I had wandered off on the first floor to check and make sure the front door was closed due to rain moving into the area. Suddenly, I hear him calling from the kitchen "haha, very funny!" I didn't think anything of it until he followed with "You can stop now!" I moved to the back half of the house, where I heard buzzing coming from the kitchen where he and the tour group were located. The call box was going off, and numbers 6, 15, and 20 had all popped up on the box - and were still going off. Everyone's face in the room went white. My boss pointed up, signaling for me to check the third floor. The third floor is secured by a padlock. You need a key to access it and it can not be locked from the inside. Both padlocks were locked, and neither he nor I had the key. After about a minute, the buzzing stopped, and the tour uncomfortably continued on. This was the only personal experience I had within this house, but there are many other stories about it. I'll share some of them as time allows. Alright, AF...hit me with your best ones!
  9. Love this idea. I didn't get a shot from today, since I wasn't totally expecting this to come up, but instead I'll share a pic from the end of July. This is the opposite end of the island where I took a photo that I put in the photo contest here. My house is off in the distance somewhere too...or maybe just a bit to the left. lol
  10. I was under the impression that the topic here was about the movie "Joker", and whether or not people were going to see it. The point was brought up that there have been credible threats made on the audience by domestic terror organizations. Many people are still going to see the movie. I have absolutely no idea where anything that was just said has any small inkling of merit to the point of this topic. We've heard the reviews, no one is disputing it. We've heard the feedback, no one is disputing it. What is being disputed is the fact that there's a credible threat and people are dismissing it. The FBI does not put warnings out lightly. Ever. We can talk all day about effectiveness but that isn't the subject here. So, this is my last warning - lets get back on the subject here: the subject is the movie "Joker" and whether or not people are going to see it. And if they plan on it, what they look forward to, etc.
  11. Very tired. These Midwest seasonal changes are really playing havoc on my....everything. :[
  12. I might share some of my stories with you guys, since it's October and all, but unfortunately that will have to be a different thread and a different time.
  13. Actually...it isn't. There was a very real and validated alarm that was raised over the issue. I'm not at liberty to discuss it, but it actually warranted some FBI chatter. You're saying this was a conspiracy theory from Marvel fans against D.C. comics. Buddy, I've heard a lot of things in my time. Just wow. Let's not turn this into a "media driving x, y, and z" debacle. There was a threat - or is a threat - it is a valid threat. A threat doesn't mean an action, and a lot of people will still see it, because this is their thing.
  14. Military post, on-site - buddy. Not sure what they think is getting past the MP's to get to where I'd be. "He's armed with...pamphlets of Illinois Tax Code!!!"
  15. Oh, don't tease the inner flyboy in me like that. haha. I think there's plenty in that group to read for sure, and truthfully the B-17 deserved a much larger post, but I'm battling three things at once - and I will probably be in early tomorrow at work again - so I had to cut it shorter. Here's Boeing's take on the history, though. I think it depends on your line of work. Security guard has a fine line between boring and "lets roll out, fellas." APPSCOM duty is much the same...the gun is just bigger - and there's always a gun.
  16. Ah yes. I'm familiar with both FL Studio and the Vocaloid programs. (Though, my exposure to the Vocaloid program wasn't the anime way, it was the audio way (back in the days when Yamaha made GOOD electronics)). I'm not fluent enough with the stuff myself though, and time just isn't on my side to pickup another thing to learn. General teacher, strenuous task. You're brave! It sounds like you love the movement though, so that's good to hear. Teachers do not get enough credit by a long shot.
  17. Ah yes, night duty. I'm very familiar with that. Actually I'm due for it next week again. Booooooo! This should help for 4 minutes:
  18. Welcome aboard, we're glad to have you over this way. Hopefully you enjoy it here. So, I'll jump over the anime stuff (I'm by no means an expert). What kind of music do you make? Acoustic? Composition? Are you one of those super awesome bedroom DJ's I've heard about? (I have only confirmed one, guys...I still am skeptical of their existence...like unicorns!) Music stuff has my attention a lot. Also, looks like a school teacher? Sounds...bold. I come from a family of educators (music educators). What class work do you teach, since so many elementaries are also going to period-based classes? As said, hopefully you enjoy it here. There's a lot to see and do. Don't hesitate to ask if you have questions too.
  19. 45 remain in tact. Far fewer are operational, with that number fluctuating wildly over the course of the years.
  20. Preface Originally I was going to compose a subject that would take us into the spooky month of Halloween with some mystery content. It would have been dealing with Roanoke. Unfortunately, for people in the aeronautical community, historical community, and Collings Heritage Foundation, today was a horror in a different way. Earlier today, a B-17G "909" crashed on takeoff at an airport in Connecticut. There were two confirmed deaths with several others injured. It has been a tough year for warbirds, with the loss of other aircraft earlier this year, including one that was the last surviving design of its kind. With this in mind, I decided to run a Quick Fact story on the king of the skies in Europe: the B-17 Flying Fortress. The Boeing Model 299 - that was the moniker that was the center of Boeing's manufacturing and development centers in the early and mid 1930s. The United States Army was beginning to see an increased need for the coverage of the skies and airpower. Rallied by a court-martialed officer in the U.S. Army Air Corps, air power up to this point was not taken seriously by the U.S. military as a significant need in the future. By the mid 1930s, however, that was seen to be simply untrue. The U.S. Army Air Corps (USAAC) had in it's arsenal, the Martin B-10 bomber, a dual engine medium range bomber. However, the advancement in anti-aircraft defense mechanisms and the need for increased range meant that the B-10 would be far too heavy and cumbersome for a future conflict. Thus, in 1934, the USAAC outlined the need for a replacement of this heavy monster. Much like in today's world, the USAAC decided that it would be best to select the future aircraft by way of a fly-off between two models. This contest took place on 28 July 1935 against the Martin Model 146, and a Douglas entry. The USAAC decided that the Model 299 was the best candidate for the requirements outlined: top speed of at least 200 mph, a range of around 2,000 miles, and a service ceiling of at least 10,000 feet. The Model 299 would surpass all of these requirements. After a rocky start, with the first prototype crashing on it's second flight on 30 October 1935, the USAAC opted to give the Model 299 a green light in January of 1936 - and thus the B-17 Flying Fortress was born. Boasting a top speed of just under 300 mph, a range of 2,000 miles, and a service ceiling of 35,000 feet, the B-17 was an impressive design that the USAAC could simply not ignore. Little did they know at the time of what was in store for this aircraft in the future. The B-17 Flying Fortress was one of two primary American bombers to be deployed in Europe during World War II. Over 12,000 of the aircraft were produced by the time the war ended, and some national Air Forces retained the bomber in operational status up through the 1960s. The B-17 was the primary executing bomber tasked with the mission within the scope of the Combined Bomber Offensive. In addition, dozens of surviving B-17's continued service in the USAF as drones in the form of the QB-17 through the 1950s. Today, the majority of surviving B-17's are the G variant. Many perform at air shows around the United States. Several participated in heritage flights in France during the World War II commemoration ceremonies this past year. Of the 12,000 aircraft produced, only 45 remain today.
  21. I don't know what to tell y'all. But I'm thinkin' it must be Fall. Greetings and salutations AF. Each and every season has its own set of grand festivities attached to it, and so must we. (I said we must!) As such, it also comes with it's own share of contests. We're in the spoopy season, and that means scary things, creepy things, and generally stuff that'll make you go "ahhh! Mom! A Kardashian is hiding under my bed!" - Well maybe not that last part. Anyway...we have come up with a series of contests, and here's one of the first! 1,000 points a piece will be awarded to the winners of three (3) categories in this contest. That should cover most of you and your creative abilities. Remember, the idea is to have fun, so just relax...drink some hot tea, watch a horror movie or two, or your favorite anime Halloween special, and let the ideas come to you naturally. I am informed that everyone will get a nice, shiny badge for participating. You can put these next to the other badges you have on your quest to be an AnimeForums.net master. That's almost the same thing as a Pokémon Master, except that there's no league, and there's an actual risk of being goosed by Robert Deniro or Frankie Munez. Contest Reqirements I'd like for there to be a good spread in the kind of stories we get, and I want you to feel like you have the time to flesh out the best that you can write up, so I'm going to set the deadline for this out to 19 October. You are limited to two sentences. Make sure you sell it in those two sentences as well. No run-on's! I'm gonna be reading these out loud and I really don't want to take a huge breath in the middle because there were no commas. Scare the judges. Seriously. I don't know who all they are, but they deserve it. I want to hear complaints about how you made them unable to sleep for nights after the contest ends. Judging Categories: The Washija Special (My pick!) Most original Most creative Let's get spoopy, y'all! Ope!
  22. Fits the profile kind of for Inuyasha. Don't remember the name of the arc, but it sounds like it fits the time and description of the show. Everything else I can recall from that time on Adult Swim doesn't really bring to mind anything like that - and I used to watch it almost religiously. Inuyasha started airing just before adult swim switched to it's format of airing anime solely on Saturday's too.
  23. Nestled into the northeastern territory of Lorraine in France, the small city of Verdun was the site of the largest battle on the Western Front in World War I. After having been delayed for almost two weeks, German forces launched Unternehmen Gericht (Operation Judgement) on the morning of 21 February 1916. The opening of engagements at Verdun saw the Germans launching an intense artillery barrage (Trommelfeuer) in an attempt to soften French forces occupying the Verdun salient. Bombardment continued throughout the entire day, pausing only once in an attempt to locate surviving French forces. By the end of February 1916, Fort Douamont had fallen into German hands. However, German infantry had extended itself beyond the range of its own artillery cover, causing their advance to stall, and allow French forces to rearm, resupply, and fill in their ranks on the frontlines. The progress also brought the Fifth German Army into range of heavier French artillery and guns. The German advance near Verdun had become uniform with the rest of the Western Front, moving a few miles at any given time, but generally staying the same. The village of Fleury just northeast of Verdun changed hands over a dozen times through August of 1916, making any gains or defense of land east of Verdun temporary. It was not until October of 1916 that France had recouped their forces to a point where they were prepared to attempt to recapture areas east of Verdun. By 24 October, the French had taken back Douamont, marking the beginning of the retreat of German forces from the Verdun salient. By the evening of 5 November, French forces had reached back to the front lines east of Douamont to Vaux. With this boost in morale, General Petain ordered a second offensive against the Germans. The first day of the offensive, the French were able to recapture Vacherauville and Louvemont which were lost in the opening days of the battle. By the end of the battle on 17 December, the Germans had been entirely repelled and the salient was wiped out, marking a staunch victory for the French. The devastation of the artillery used by both belligerents in such a small area of battle made conditions miserable for troops moving across it. Millions of shells were used, paralyzing many soldiers on the field. One French officer described the battlefield as “a massacre...a scene of horror and carnage”, and described what he saw as worse than Hell. Even today, the scars left over by the blistering artillery can be seen in the mound-filled fields and forests near Verdun. Verdun would see itself as the staging point for several additional military operations by the end of World War I. The most notable being the Meuse-Argonne Offensive in 1918. While Verdun did not have any key strategic value to the Germans or the French, almost one million casualties were shared by both sides; a quarter of a million of those were fatal. The Germans would not make an attempt on Verdun for the remainder of the war, either due to denial by the French, or lack of manpower.
  24. Let's not get too off topic here. The movements of some of these groups, no matter how marginalized, is not justified. No terror action is ever justified in my book. A terrorist is someone who has resorted to cowardice in the face of an obstacle. Simple. At any rate. The only real Joker to me was the one in the last set of Batman movies before the last: Ledger. I thought his performance was brilliant, and I have a hard time seeing anyone else in the role. That being said - if the Penguin ever shows up again, it damn well better be Danny DeVito! Nyuck nyuck nyuck.
  25. I won't speak much on it - for starters it's not my kind of movie, so I won't be seeing it anyway. However, it is interesting to see all of the threat chatter that seems to be going on. I've seen now several reports that there are concerns over the potential for mass shootings by domestic terror groups at the opening - kind of like the Batman movie. At any rate, count me out on this one. Superhero/villain movies weren't my thing anyway I spose.

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