Is the onsen (bath) scenario getting old?

[Wodahs]

ok ok

now then well !!!!!

one of the animes I'm currently watching , Nisekoi !

has such a onsen scenario that was definitely over the top

scratch that it wasn't a scene it was so over the top they made the whole ep 9 the onsen scene

[JesuDesu22]

I do think onsen scenes are old. Not that they are necessarily bad, but more that since they've been used for decades, it's a somewhat overused trope. I have noticed that newer anime use the onsen scene less and less, so maybe creators are striving to be more unique. In any case, I never skip onsen scenes, because as was mentioned earlier in this thread, they can actually include in important character development. The onsen scene from Nisekoi comes to mind, which helped to show Chitoge's feelings for Raku, and deepened Raku's feelings for Kosaki. Not to mention, the scene was incredibly adorable! >w<

[Cy~]

Okay, so I know about the onsen scenario thing. But it's not really something I've encountered much in the anime I've seen.

It sounds like it's being overused, but at the same time I'm not bothered by it because I haven't encountered it much haha

 

This is basically my perspective on things. My general impression is that it's a terribly overused trope. However, I think that I have only seen it in just a couple of the shows that I watch, and one of them played it up with skill and hilarity (so, I didn't mind).

 

In general, I don't think that I watch the kind of shows that are likely to have a lot of this type of scene. My guess is that it's more common in romance and ecchi - the two genres that I tend to avoid.

[Orius]

Yes, but I think it's inevitable. With an anime, there seems to be an expectation among writers to include these obligatory scenes, including a beach episode, a school festival episode, and let's not forget an even more overused trope - girl's breasts falling over guy's face, or guy's hands falling onto girl's breasts, etc.

 

It's like anime writers are full of perverts.

[existentiallylostdumbell]

that's more or less an insert fanservice here scene, if someone actually got laid off of it that would be an entirely different scenario

[Cy~]

It's like anime writers are full of perverts.

 

I remember reading an interview with the creator of a popular anime series. I can't find the link, atm, but he literally said that they try to provide the audience with what the audience wants. To summarize his perspective, he said that adding more fanservice and "perverted" scenarios tends to attract a certain fan base without actually limited the appeal to those that are outside of that fan base. I guess he isn't wrong. I don't care much for fan service, for example, but I am not going to avoid a show because of it as long as the writing/overall quality is really good.

[Orius]

I remember reading an interview with the creator of a popular anime series. I can't find the link, atm, but he literally said that they try to provide the audience with what the audience wants. To summarize his perspective, he said that adding more fanservice and "perverted" scenarios tends to attract a certain fan base without actually limited the appeal to those that are outside of that fan base. I guess he isn't wrong.

That would imply that Japanese audiences are full of perverts, an assumption I tried not to make in spite of their pornography suggesting this to be true. I guess "pervert" isn't the right word for it, and more like they're more comfortable around sexual subjects than others do, bearing no shame over their own sexuality and desires.

 

Anyway, I feel like fanservice gives anime a bad rep outside of the anime fandom, so I don't really like it. People would think anime is full of hentai and ecchi because of it, and I don't like that kind of stigma. And of course, I care little for fanservice too when I'm watching an anime for its story. If I want bewbs and arse, I would watch a hentai, not an anime. There's an appropriate time and place for masturbation.

 

I think animators could learn a little from Americans when it comes to "appealing audiences". Marvel never needed fanservice to earn universal appeal with their movies. Then again, many Japanese are known to be isolationists that dislike how Japanese culture is being "corrupted" by western ideals, so that might be a contributing factor as to why they don't take notes from other people.

[Cy~]

That would imply that Japanese audiences are full of perverts

 

I didn't think that this was the implication.

 

The guy in the interview was *only* talking about the different components of the Japanese audience. The only implication that he made was that some folks in Japan like fan service and others don't. In other words, the implication is not that Japanese people are perverts, but that there are some people that like fanservice and some people that don't - in Japan.

 

Marvel never needed fanservice to earn universal appeal with their movies.

 

Perhaps not with the movies, but the comics were a different matter entirely.

[Orius]

Perhaps not with the movies, but the comics were a different matter entirely.

I still think that's a little different from landing your bewbs on a guy's face though. That shtick got old ever since the '90s.

 

The guy in the interview was *only* talking about the different components of the Japanese audience. The only implication that he made was that some folks in Japan like fan service and others don't. In other words, the implication is not that Japanese people are perverts, but that there are some people that like fanservice and some people that don't - in Japan.

I don't think I like the statement they're setting if they want to appeal to the perverts among the audiences. If they're truly niched among the Japanese, then that's one less reason to appeal to them in the first place. Universal appeal is fine, but by appealing to a certain demographic, you're also chasing away others. You can't please everybody, and putting lewd images in anime will definitely turn off certain audiences, contradicting the animator's original point of wanting to appeal to everybody in the first place.

 

But again, this is due to my own mentality of frowning upon sexual subjects as a matter of embarrassment rather than something I could openly talk about. Maybe the Japanese have no problems with this kind of stuff and wouldn't be turned off.

[existentiallylostdumbell]

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I still think that's a little different from landing your bewbs on a guy's face though. That shtick got old ever since the '90s.

 

 

I don't think I like the statement they're setting if they want to appeal to the perverts among the audiences. If they're truly niched among the Japanese, then that's one less reason to appeal to them in the first place. Universal appeal is fine, but by appealing to a certain demographic, you're also chasing away others. You can't please everybody, and putting lewd images in anime will definitely turn off certain audiences, contradicting the animator's original point of wanting to appeal to everybody in the first place.

 

But again, this is due to my own mentality of frowning upon sexual subjects as a matter of embarrassment rather than something I could openly talk about. Maybe the Japanese have no problems with this kind of stuff and wouldn't be turned off.

 

You've obviously never watched a Japanese porno, I'd say they're pretty suppressed otherwise they wouldn't be so twisted. You ever hear the sounds alot of the japanese women make? Sounds like a dying cat. Generally, I prefer to turn the volume down if the porn is Japanese. I've dug around on the internet a bit as to why they make these noises, cuz western asian women certainly don't make sounds like that, and it's cultural. The women in that culture aren't supposed to enjoy sex, which is why they make noises which are supposed to portray, I don't want it but I do. I'd say there's alot of shame in that society, otherwise, they wouldn't sound that way. Shame around sex and pressure for japanese women to be "pure" are what causes that. That ambiguity of desire on the female part, is probably why rape porn is so prevalent in Japan, or maybe they're just fucked up. Contrast that to a western porno, the more of a sexually aggressive nymphomaniac the actress is, the more points they get, we want them clawing at us with desire. It's human nature, we want to be desired. So no, I'm doubtful as to whether or not Japan is the paragon of sexual freedom. You want a perverted country, head to a Western one, particularly Germany, they're up to some pretty kinky shit there, I've seen amateur videos just as filthy as ones that have directors, even more so. With all that said, I'm sure sexuality in anime is probably pretty accepted there, but it seems to be used more for comic relief than anything else from my perspective./SPOILER]

 

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[Orius]

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You've obviously never watched a Japanese porno, I'd say they're pretty suppressed otherwise they wouldn't be so twisted. You ever hear the sounds alot of the japanese women make? Sounds like a dying cat. Generally, I prefer to turn the volume down if the porn is Japanese. I've dug around on the internet a bit as to why they make these noises, cuz western asian women certainly don't make sounds like that, and it's cultural. The women in that culture aren't supposed to enjoy sex, which is why they make noises which are supposed to portray, I don't want it but I do. I'd say there's alot of shame in that society, otherwise, they wouldn't sound that way. Shame around sex and pressure for japanese women to be "pure" are what causes that. That ambiguity of desire on the female part, is probably why rape porn is so prevalent in Japan, or maybe they're just fucked up. Contrast that to a western porno, the more of a sexually aggressive nymphomaniac the actress is, the more points they get, we want them clawing at us with desire. It's human nature, we want to be desired. So no, I'm doubtful as to whether or not Japan is the paragon of sexual freedom. You want a perverted country, head to a Western one, particularly Germany, they're up to some pretty kinky s*** there, I've seen amateur videos just as filthy as ones that have directors, even more so. With all that said, I'm sure sexuality in anime is probably pretty accepted there, but it seems to be used more for comic relief than anything else from my perspective.

Then that makes the prevalence of fanservice even less sensible. I certainly don't find humor in fanservice (more annoying than funny, as it misportrays what real women are like, in a degrading way no less), so I don't get what comic value there is.

 

Also, aren't hentai women usually reduced to nymphomaniacs, regardless of how reluctant they might start out as? They certainly aren't the reluctant types you'd see in live action porn, and even those ended up becoming sex-craved nymphos too, so I don't understand the point of making them "pure" and reluctant in the first place if they're going to end up "impure" anyway. I've also seen my share of nymphos in live action porn too. A large amount in fact compared to the rape porn available.

 

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[existentiallylostdumbell]

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Then that makes the prevalence of fanservice even less sensible. I certainly don't find humor in fanservice (more annoying than funny, as it misportrays what real women are like), so I don't get what comic relief there is.

 

Also, aren't hentai women usually reduced to nymphomaniacs? They certainly aren't the reluctant types you'd see in live action porn. I've also seen my share of nymphos in live action porn too. A large amount in fact compared to the rape porn available.

 

 

Yeah but that's hentai, all of the porn with real people is different. I'd say that the authors of such hentai, and maybe even a large percentage of the population prefer nymphomaniacs, but what is culturally accepted is purity. And I'd agree there are some nymphos in the real japanese porn, but most of it is all pouty faced squealing women, unfortunately. Alot of them start off smiling, but once the ball gets rolling, suddenly they transform from smiling and being all into it, to looking like we're poking them with cattle prods. Or maybe certain expressions of sexuality are only allowed and others aren't. The men are allowed to portray interest, but the women aren't. Also, the ecchi in most anime is targeted to men and it isn't actual sex. Most of it relies on the pretence of an accident. So maybe it's more acceptable than sex. Really the funny parts are when the knock the dude out though./SPOILER]

 

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[Wodahs]

@existentiallylostdumbell and @Orius

as interesting as this is getting we have taken a tangent away from the original threads purpose and just a reminder as well that this is a kiddy (pg) friendly site so some of this may want to be in spoilers

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[existentiallylostdumbell]

@existentiallylostdumbell and @Orius

as interesting as this is getting we have taken a tangent away from the original threads purpose and just a reminder as well that this is a kiddy (pg) friendly site so some of this may want to be in spoilers

how do you put it in spoilers? what even is that?

[Orius]

how do you put it in spoilers? what even is that?

I think he meant putting it in spoilers tag, like I did with my post above.

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[brycec]

My opinion on this is the same as my opinion on comedic elements and originality.

 

Things may not be as unique as they once were and are probably over done, but as long as it is done properly and/or feels unique, even when it is not, it can make things that much more enjoyable.

 

Unfortunately, like the eye candy problem that American movies have, many studios decide to throw something in in order to please fans and attract people than focusing on what actually makes anime, and fiction in general, great.